i'm a little lost in the timezone :)
I have data stored with the time in UTC.
The server is in the Netherlands, so we live in utc+1 (now, with daylightsavingtime, in utc + 2)
Now a client says: give me the data from august 5th.
So i have to calculate the utc time from 'his time'.
For that i have to know:
what is your utc offset (we stored that in his profile, let's say utc -6)
are you in daylightsavingtime (because then we have to add +1 and make the utc offset -5)
Then my questions:
Can i ask the .Net framework: does country XX have daylightsavingtime?
Can i ask the .Net framework: is 08-05-2010T00:00:00 in country XXX daylightsavingtime at that moment?
i've been trying the .ToLocalTime(), but this only gives me the local time at the server, and that's not what i want, i want to calculate with the timezone of the user, and also with the fact that at that particular point in time, if he/she is in daylightsavingtime
I've also seen this VB example:
TimeZone As TimeZoneInfo = TimeZoneInfo.FindSystemTimeZoneById("W. Europe Standard Time")
Dim Dated As DateTime = TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeToUtc(TempDate, TimeZone)
but imho this doesn't take into account that the user in this timezone is or is not in a daylightsavingtime (dst) country.
For instance, one user in this timezone is in the netherlands having dst, and one other is in another country which has no dst.
You can't ask the framework about a particular country - but you can ask about a particular time zone.
TimeZoneInfo does take DST into account. (Heck, it wouldn't have the IsDaylightSavingTime method otherwise.) If you've got two users, one of whom is currently observing DST and the other of whom isn't, then they aren't in the same time zone.
If you could specify which locations you're talking about, I could try to find out which time zones are involved. (It's generally easier to find out the Olson names, but it shouldn't be impossible to find out the Windows IDs.)
TimeZone class has a method IsDaylightSavingTime that take a date as parameter
and return a boolean indicating if that date in in daylightsavingtime for that timezone.
I promote my comment to an answer.
It appears to be a complicate problem. Look at http://www.timeanddate.com/time/dst2010.html, there is a table of DST in various country of the world. You cannot get this with static code because DST change not only from country to country, but also from year to year.
I guess you have to maintain a table with DST information and get information from it.
Or you can query a webservice to get such infos.
Look at http://www.earthtools.org/webservices.htm#timezone for a webservice that you can query to get time in various country that take in account DST (it work only for Western Europe time zones).
Also look at http://www.geonames.org/export/web-services.html. You have to get your users geolocation to use these services.
Related
In windows, we get timezone list like this:
ID Time zone name Display string
-- -------------- --------------
0 Dateline Standard Time (UTC-12:00) International Date Line West
110 UTC-11 (UTC-11:00) Coordinated Universal Time -11
200 Hawaiian Standard Time (UTC-10:00) Hawaii
300 Alaskan Standard Time (UTC-09:00) Alaska
more here.
I use this list to convert from one timezone to another using TimeZoneInfo class which accepts time zone name shown in above list.
Ex.
// Local time zone to UTC
var utcOffset = new DateTimeOffset(DateTime.UtcNow, TimeSpan.Zero);
var localTimeZone = TimeZoneInfo.FindSystemTimeZoneById(timezoneName); // here tz name can be any name from above table
var localOffset = new DateTimeOffset(date.Value, localTimeZone.GetUtcOffset(utcOffset));
DateTime utcDate = localOffset.UtcDateTime;
Now I came across SalesForce timezone representation like:
Time Zone Code Time Zone Name
-------------- --------------
GMT+14:00 Line Is. Time (Pacific/Kiritimati)
GMT+13:00 Phoenix Is.Time (Pacific/Enderbury)
GMT+13:00 Tonga Time (Pacific/Tongatapu)
GMT+12:45 Chatham Standard Time (Pacific/Chatham)
more here.
I couldn't find built in functionality to use either time zone code or time zone name given in above table for the conversion.
If you're happy to stick with TimeZoneInfo and DateTime/DateTimeOffset, you can use Matt Johnson's TimeZoneConverter library to convert the IANA ID (the part in brackets, e.g. Pacific/Kiritimati) to a Windows system time zone ID.
Examples from the project page docs:
string tz = TZConvert.IanaToWindows("America/New_York");
// Result: "Eastern Standard Time"
Or:
TimeZoneInfo tzi = TZConvert.GetTimeZoneInfo("America/New_York");
However, things to be aware of:
There won't always be a complete mapping from IANA IDs to Windows IDs. Some aren't mapped, although the situation is better than it used to be.
The Windows time zone data can be different to the IANA data sometimes. (Again, this is getting better.)
Time zone data changes over time. If you're storing future date/time values, you might want to store the time zone and local time rather than the UTC instant. (That instant may not map to the same local time in the future.)
Some local times can be ambiguous - e.g. if the clocks go back from 2am to 1am on a particular date in a particular time zone, then 1:15am on that day will occur twice in that time zone. Think about how you want to handle that, and test it.
I'd personally recommend using my Noda Time library anyway, as a cleaner way of handling date/time, but I acknowledge that if you've got a lot of code dealing with DateTime already, that may not be feasible.
I'm storing a product in db. All dates (sql server datetime) are UTC and along with the dates I store the time zone id for that product. User enters the dates when product is available "from" and "until" in the listing.
So I do something like:
// Convert user's datetime to UTC
var userEnteredDateTime = DateTime.Parse("11/11/2014 9:00:00");
// TimeZoneInfo id will be stored along with the UTC datetime
var tz = TimeZoneInfo.FindSystemTimeZoneById("FLE Standard Time");
// following produces: 9/11/2014 7:00:00 AM (winter time - 1h back)
var utcDateTime = TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeToUtc(userEnteredDateTime, tz);
and save the record. Let's assume user did this on the 1st of August, while his time zone offset to UTC is still +03:00, nevertheless the saved date for the future listing has the correct +02:00 value because conversion took into consideration the "winter" time for that period.
Question is what datetime value will I get if I will attempt to convert that product's "from" and "until" date to product's local time zone on 11/11/2014 if, for example, due to some new rules the transition to winter time was abandoned, thus the time zone is still +03:00 instead of +02:00?
// Convert back
var userLocalTime = TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeFromUtc(utcDateTime, tz);
will I get 10AM or correct 9AM because OS/.NET patch will handle this?
Thank you!
P.S.: TimeZoneInfo has ToSerializedString() method, if I rather store this value instead of timezone id, will this guarantee that via UTC datetime + serialized timezoneinfo I will always be able to convert to the user's original datetime input?
In the scenario you describe, you would get 10:00 AM. The time zone conversion function would not have any idea that the value was originally entered as 9:00 AM, because you only saved the UTC time of 7:00 AM.
This illustrates one of the cases where the advice "always store UTC" is flawed. When you're working with future events, it doesn't always work. The problem is that governments change their mind about time zones often. Sometimes they give reasonable notice (ex. United States, 2007) but sometimes they don't (ex. Egypt, 2014).
When you made the original conversion from local time to UTC, you intentionally decided to trust that the time zone rules would not change. In other words, you decided that you would assign the event to the universal timeline based solely on the time zone rules as you knew them at that time.
The way to avoid this is simple: Future events should be scheduled in local time. Now, I don't mean "local to your computer", but rather "local to the user", so you will need to know the user's time zone, and you should also store the ID of the time zone somewhere.
You'll also need to decide what you want to do if the event falls into the spring-forward or fall-back transition for daylight saving time. This is especially important for recurrence patterns.
Ultimately though, you'll need to figure out when to run the event. Or in your case, you'll need to decide if the event has passed or not. There are a few different ways you can accomplish this:
Option 1
You can calculate the corresponding UTC value for each local time and keep it in a separate field.
On some cycle (daily, weekly, etc) you can recalculate upcoming UTC values from their local values and your current understanding of the time zone rules. Or, if you apply time zone updates manually, you can choose to recalculate everything at that time.
Option 2
You can store the values as a DateTimeOffset type instead of a DateTime. It will contain the original local time, and the offset that you calculated based on the time zone rules as you knew them at time of entry.
DateTimeOffset values can easily be coerced back to UTC, so they tend to work very well for this. You can read more in DateTime vs DateTimeOffset.
Just like in option 1, you would revisit the values periodically or after time zone data updates, and adjust the offsets to align with the new time zone data.
This is what I usually recommend, especially if you're using a database that has support for DateTimeOffset types, such as SQL Server or RavenDB.
Option 3
You can store the values as a local DateTime.
When querying, you would calculate the current time in the target time zone and compare against that value.
DateTime now = TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeFromUtc(DateTime.UtcNow, targetTZ);
bool passed = now >= eventTime;
The down side of this option is that you may have to make lots queries if you have events in lots of different time zones.
You may also have issues with values close to the fall-back DST transition, so be careful if you use this approach.
I recommend against the idea of serializing the time zone itself. If the time zone has changed, then it has changed. Pretending that it hasn't isn't a good workaround.
Our application was designed to handle user from different Geographic location.
We are unable to detect what is the current end user local time and
time zone operate on it. They select different culture like sv-se,
en-us, ta-In even they access from Europe/London timezone..
We hosted it in a hosting server in US, application users are from Norway/Denmark/Sweden/UK/USA/India
The problem is we used DateTime.Now to store the record created/updated date, etc.
Since the Server runs in USA all user data are saved as US time :(
After researching in SO, we decided to stored all history dates in DB as DateTime.UtcNow
PROBLEM:
There is a record created on 29 Dec 2013, 3:15 P.M Swedish time.
public ActionResult Save(BookingViewModel model)
{
Booking booking = new Booking();
booking.BookingDateTime = model.BookingDateTime; //10 Jan 2014 2:00 P.M
booking.Name = model.Name;
booking.CurrentUserId = (User)Session["currentUser"].UserId;
//USA Server runs in Pacific Time Zone, UTC-08:00
booking.CreatedDateTime = DateTime.UtcNow; //29 Dec 2013, 6:15 A.M
BookingRepository.Save(booking);
return View("Index");
}
We want to show the same history time to the user who logged in in India/Sweden/USA.
As of now we are using current culture user logged in and choose the timezone from a config file and using for conversion with TimeZoneInfo class
<appSettings>
<add key="sv-se" value="W. Europe Standard Time" />
<add key="ta-IN" value="India Standard Time" />
</appSettings>
private DateTime ConvertUTCBasedOnCulture(DateTime utcTime)
{
//utcTime is 29 Dec 2013, 6:15 A.M
string TimezoneId =
System.Configuration.ConfigurationManager.AppSettings
[System.Threading.Thread.CurrentThread.CurrentCulture.Name];
// if the user changes culture from sv-se to ta-IN, different date is shown
TimeZoneInfo tZone = TimeZoneInfo.FindSystemTimeZoneById(TimezoneId);
return TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeFromUtc(utcTime, tZone);
}
public ActionResult ViewHistory()
{
List<Booking> bookings = new List<Booking>();
bookings=BookingRepository.GetBookingHistory();
List<BookingViewModel> viewModel = new List<BookingViewModel>();
foreach (Booking b in bookings)
{
BookingViewModel model = new BookingViewModel();
model.CreatedTime = ConvertUTCBasedOnCulture(b.CreatedDateTime);
viewModel.Add(model);
}
return View(viewModel);
}
View Code
#Model.CreatedTime.ToString("dd-MMM-yyyy - HH':'mm")
NOTE: The user can change the culture/language before they login. Its a localization based application, running in US server.
I have seen NODATIME, but I could not understand how it can help with multi culture web application hosted in different location.
Question
How can I show a same record creation date 29 Dec 2013, 3:15 P.M for the users logged in INDIA/USA/Anywhere`?
As of now my logic in ConvertUTCBasedOnCulture is based user logged in culture. This should be irrespective of culture, since user can login using any culture from India/USA
DATABASE COLUMN
CreatedTime: SMALLDATETIME
UPDATE: ATTEMPTED SOLUTION:
DATABASE COLUMN TYPE: DATETIMEOFFSET
UI
Finally I am sending the current user's local time using the below Momento.js code in each request
$.ajaxSetup({
beforeSend: function (jqXHR, settings) {
try {
//moment.format gives current user date like 2014-01-04T18:27:59+01:00
jqXHR.setRequestHeader('BrowserLocalTime', moment().format());
}
catch (e) {
}
}
});
APPLICATION
public static DateTimeOffset GetCurrentUserLocalTime()
{
try
{
return
DateTimeOffset.Parse(HttpContext.Current.Request.Headers["BrowserLocalTime"]);
}
catch
{
return DateTimeOffset.Now;
}
}
then called in
model.AddedDateTime = WebAppHelper.GetCurrentUserLocalTime();
In View
#Model.AddedDateTime.Value.LocalDateTime.ToString("dd-MMM-yyyy - HH':'mm")
In view it shows the local time to user, however I want to see like dd-MMM-yyyy CET/PST (2 hours ago).
This 2 hours ago should calculate from end user's local time. Exactly same as stack overflow question created/edited time with Timezone display and local user calculation.
Example: answered Jan 25 '13 at 17:49 CST (6 hours/days/month ago) So the other viewing from USA/INDIA user can really understand this record was created exactly 6 hours from INDIA/USA current time
Almost I think I achieved everything, except the display format & calculation. How can i do this?
It sounds like you need to store a DateTimeOffset instead of a DateTime. You could just store the local DateTime to the user creating the value, but that means you can't perform any ordering operations etc. You can't just use DateTime.UtcNow, as that won't store anything to indicate the local date/time of the user when the record was created.
Alternatively, you could store an instant in time along with the user's time zone - that's harder to achieve, but would give you more information as then you'd be able to say things like "What is the user's local time one hour later?"
The hosting of the server should be irrelevant - you should never use the server's time zone. However, you will need to know the appropriate UTC offset (or time zone) for the user. This cannot be done based on just the culture - you'll want to use Javascript on the user's machine to determine the UTC offset at the time you're interested in (not necessarily "now").
Once you've worked out how to store the value, retrieving it is simple - if you've already stored the UTC instant and an offset, you just apply that offset and you'll get back to the original user's local time. You haven't said how you're converting values to text, but it should just drop out simply - just format the value, and you should get the original local time.
If you decide to use Noda Time, you'd just use OffsetDateTime instead of DateTimeOffset.
Standard approach is to always store any time data as UTC if particular moment in time is important. That time is not impacted by time zone changes and cultures.
Most common approach to showing time with time zone is to store time as UTC and convert to current user's culture/time zone combination when you display the value. This approach only requires single date time filed in the storage.
Note that for Web cases (like ASP.Net) you may need to figure out user's culture/time zone first and send it to server (as this information is not necessary available on GET requests) or do formatting of time in the browser.
Depending what "show the same history time" you may need to store additional information like current culture and/or current offset. If you need to show time exactly as original user seen it you may also save string representation (because formats/translations can change later and value will look different, also it is unusual).
Note: culture and time zone are not tied together, so you'll need to decide how you need to handle cases like IN-IN culture in US PST time zone.
I'm a little confused by the phrasing of your question, but it appears that you would like to determine the time zone of your user.
Have you tried asking them? Many applications have the user pick their time zone in user settings.
You could pick from a drop-down list, or a pair of lists (country, then time zone within the country), or from a map-based time zone picker control.
You could take a guess and use that as the default unless your user changes it.
If you go down that route, you will need to be able to use IANA/Olson time zones, which is where Noda Time comes into play. You can access them from DateTimeZoneProviders.Tzdb.
The hosting location is irrelevant if you are using UTC. That's a good thing.
Also, if you're using Noda Time, then you probably should use SystemClock.Instance.Now instead of DateTime.UtcNow.
See also here and here.
Also - an alternative solution would be just to pass the UTC time to the browser and load it into a JavaScript Date object. The browser can convert that to the user's local time. You could also use a library like moment.js to make this easier.
Update
Regarding your approach of mapping culture codes to time zones:
<appSettings>
<add key="sv-se" value="W. Europe Standard Time" />
<add key="ta-IN" value="India Standard Time" />
</appSettings>
That will not work, for several reasons:
Many people use a different culture setting on their computer than the area that they are physically in. For example, I might be an a US-English speaker living in Germany, my culture code is likely still en-US, not de-DE.
A culture code containing a country is used to distinguish between dialects of a language. When you see es-MX, that means "Spanish, as spoken in Mexico". It does not mean that the user is actually in Mexico. It just means that user speaks that dialect of Spanish, as compared to es-ES which means "Spanish, as spoken in Spain".
Even if the country portion of the culture code could be reliable, there are many countries that have multiple time zones! For example, what would you put in your mapping list for en-US? You can't just assume that we are all on Eastern Standard Time.
Now, I've explained why your current approach won't work, I strongly suggest you take my original advice. Very simply:
Determine the time zone of the user, preferably by asking them, perhaps with some assistance by one of the utilities I linked to above.
You're storing UTC, so just convert to that time zone for display.
Using Microsoft Time Zones
TimeZoneInfo tz = TimeZoneInfo.FindSystemTimeZoneById("W. Europe Standard Time");
DateTime localDatetime = TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTimeFromUtc(yourUTCDateTime, tz);
Using IANA Time Zones and Noda Time
DateTimeZone tz = DateTimeZoneProviders.Tzdb["Europe/Stockholm"];
Instant theInstant = Instant.FromDateTimeUtc(yourUTCDateTime);
LocalDateTime localDateTime = theInstant.InZone(tz);
We faced a similar problem with an application I worked on recently. During development every one was in the same time zone and the issue wasn't noticed. And in any case there was a lot of legacy code that would have been a pain to change not to mention converting all the date time info that was already in the DB. So changing to DateTimeOffset was not an option. But we managed to get it all consistent by converting from server time to user time on the way out and converting from user time to server time on the way in. It was also important to do this with any date time comparisons that were a boundary. So if a user expected some thing to expire midnight their time then we would convert that time to server time and do all comparisons in server time. This sounds like a lot of work but was much less work then converting the entire application and DB to use DateTimeOffsets.
Hear is a thread that looks like has some good solutions to the time zone issue.
Determine a User's Timezone
If you want to show consistent date/time history to the user, regardless of the locale they are viewing the history from, then:
During Save, store not only UTC "creation" date/time, but also the detected locale
Use stored saved from locale to compute original date/time and emit a string to display (i.e. do not use current user locale when you're diplaying it)
If you don't have the ability to amend your storage, then perhaps you can change your submit to send the "current client time", store it literally (do not convert to UTC) and then display literally (do not convert to detected culture)
But as I say in my comment under your question, I am not certain I got your requirements right.
I'm looking to implement a function with a signature something like the following:
bool IsTimeZoneValid(string countryCode, DateTime localTime);
The intention is to determine whether the country has a time zone in which the local time would be valid, given that we know the current UTC time. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that "valid" means that when converted to UTC the time is +/- 30 minutes from what we believe the time is.
For example, say it is currently 03/08/2009 18:25:00 UTC then given the following method call for Australia, it should return true as this is a valid time in the "Eastern Standard Time" zone:
IsTimeZoneValid("AU", DateTime.Parse("04/08/2009 03:25:00"));
However the following call for France should fail as this is not a valid time in France's time zone.
IsTimeZoneValid("FR", DateTime.Parse("04/08/2009 03:25:00"));
This needs to be accurate, and take into account daylight saving time etc.
.NET 3.5 includes the new TimeZoneInfo class which can do a lot of the conversion for me if I know what time zones exist in a specific country, but I can't seem to find any built-in lookup for this. Am I missing something, or am I going to have to manually create a table of country to time zone mappings?
To reiterate, my question is: Given a country code, how can I get a list of time zones. Alternatively, is there another way to approach this that I've missed?
By default windows only adds Time Zone info for you local time zone, which may be the cause of the problem.
This class works only for the local time zone and any predefined time zones. If you want to use this for other times zones, you must have the registry settings added to the machine for all time zones needed or create custom time zone info using CreateCustomTimeZone.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.timezoneinfo.aspx?ppud=4
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb384268.aspx
My database is located in e.g. california.
My user table has all the user's timezone e.g. -0700 UTC
How can I adjust the time from my database server whenever I display a date to the user who lives in e.g. new york? UTC/GMT -4 hours
You should store your data in UTC format and showing it in local timezone format.
DateTime.ToUniversalTime() -> server;
DateTime.ToLocalTime() -> client
You can adjust date/time using AddXXX methods group, but it can be error prone. .NET has support for time zones in System.TimeZoneInfo class.
If you use .Net, you can use TimeZoneInfo. Since you tagged the question with 'c#', I'll assume you do.
The first step is getting the TimeZoneInfo for the time zone in want to convert to. In your example, NY's time zone. Here's a way you can do it:
//This will get EST time zone
TimeZoneInfo clientTimeZone
= TimeZoneInfo.FindSystemTimeZoneById("Eastern Standard Time");
//This will get the local time zone, might be useful
// if your application is a fat client
TimeZoneInfo clientTimeZone = TimeZoneInfo.Local;
Then, after you read a DateTime from your DB, you need to make sure its Kind is correctly set. Supposing the DateTime's in the DB are in UTC (by the way, that's usually recommended), you can prepare it to be converted like this:
DateTime aDateTime = dataBaseSource.ReadADateTime();
DateTime utcDateTime = DateTime.SpecifyKind(aDateTime, DateTimeKind.Utc);
Finally, in order to convert to a different time zone, simply do this:
DateTime clientTime = TimeZoneInfo.ConvertTime(utcDateTime, clientTimeZone);
Some extra remarks:
TimeZoneInfo can be stored in static fields, if you are only interested in a few specific time zones;
TimeZoneInfo store information about daylight saving. So, you wouldn't have to worry about that;
If your application is web, finding out in which time zone your client is in might be hard. One way is explained here: http://kohari.org/2009/06/15/automagic-time-localization/
I hope this helps. :)
You could use a combination of TimeZoneInfo.GetSystemTimeZones() and then use the TimeZoneInfo.BaseUtcOffset property to offset the time in the database based on the offset difference
Info on System.TimeZoneInfo here
Up until .NET 3.5 (VS 2008), .NET does not have any built-in support for timezones, apart from converting to and from UTC.
If the time difference is always exactly 3 hours all year long (summer and winter), simply use yourDate.AddHours(3) to change it one way, and yourDate.AddHours(-3) to change it back. Be sure to factor this out into a function explaining the reason for adding/substracting these 3 hours.
You know, this is a good question. This year I've done my first DB application and as my input data related to time is an Int64 value, that is what I stored off in the DB. My client applications retrieve it and do DateTime.FromUTC() or FromFileTimeUTC() on that value and do a .LocalTime() to show things in their local time. I've wondered whether this was good/bad/terrible but it has worked well enough for my needs thus far. Of course the work ends up being done by a data access layer library I wrote and not in the DB itself.
Seems to work well enough, but I trust others who have more experience with this sort of thing could point out where this is not the best approach.
Good Luck!