Which options are there to make your 3-Tier System.
Client / Common / Server
Now we work with the entityframework and agatha. But are there other options to make a good 3-Tier system?
The agatha framework, makes for us the request/response on the common site.
On the server site the response will be filled in.
But are there other framework to do all that work for you? Or should you do it without such framework. And call at the server site stored procedure? Or with LINQ? With the agatha we query the repository's with some LINQ queries.
But i am wonna know if there are other ways to do the communication. Maybe there are other and better ways to do it.
I hope i get some usefull answer. Where i can read some new things.
Ultimately there is nothing in any of the Frameworks that you could not, at some level, do yourself. The Frameworks VASTLY simplify your life, however.
For calling the DB, you can use System.Data classes, for calling out to the UI (from middle-tier) you can use BCL classes, etc.
Alternatively, there are, indeed, additional frameworks that do a lot of that for you. NHibernate (in place of Entity Framework), ASP MVC for end-to-end, etc. While no two frameworks are exactly the same, most of them (now) have some core functionality that you can always expect. My recommendation would be to go to Google (or bing, or yahoo, or wherever) and search for things like "Object Relational Mapping" "User Experience" and browse through what you find.
I know you can everything without any framework.
But not everything is good. Somebody says work with stored procedures. Others say to use repository's en use linq to sql to get the right information.
And offcourse the frameworks help you. But i don't have any experience with other frameworks. So i can't say which framework works good.
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I need to choose an ORM for a project and I only have some experience with NHibernate. I have been reading Q&A from StackOverflow, and the most similar to my needs is What ORM for .net should I use?, but I would like to have an answer more adequate to the present products (the link is from 2009) and that also take into account some points of my project.
The easiest solution for me would be to use NHibernate because it is mature, feature rich and I have already used it, but I prefer to choose the best option for the project even if I have to "study" again.
The project is going to start as a core that communicates with SAP. The core has to support standalone and/or co-dependent modules, and each one of them may need to work with its own data from the database. The final step will be to implement the part of SAP that we use. The characteristics I need are the ones from the previous link and here are some more things to have in mind:
I would like to be able to split the data access layer so that a user with one or two modules won't need the whole thing.
A designer would be appreciated.
It will start with about 20-30 tables and, within a couple of years, that number will grow in several hundreds.
The amount of registers per table will vary from two or three to 150000+ (very few).
IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE A ONE PRODUCT SOLUTION. Combinations like NHibernate and Devart Entity Develop are also welcome.
The team for this project will also have students that will have to learn C Sharp and some of them probably don´t know exactly what an ORM is, so it would be great if it is simple or, at least, the basic stuff is not very complex (mixing tons of lambdas, reflection, extension methods, etc.).
The last one is not very important. I hope this is specific enough to avoid been closed (the question I link is still open).
EDIT:
-It is a desktop application.
-Documentation and comunity are also very very important.
The most popular ORM for .Net these days is Entity Framework. It comes from Microsoft, so well documented in MSDN style. And it fits your criteria.
I worked with NHibernate and found that documentation is patchy, inconsistent and sometimes missing. Most of the time I had to use docs for Hibernate which were not for NHibernate, just similar.
EF can do the same things and more than NHibernate, and the latest release have Migrations, which was missing (when I worked with NHibernate).
Consider it Dapper: dapper-dot-net.
Dapper is a pretty simple ORM, developed and used by StackOverflow.
There is a lack of documentation, but that is because of it simplicity. You can find some usage example in the project page or in some websites like this.
I know this is a pretty old question, but I though I would post an answer for anyone who lands here. Check out SQL Data. It is extremely simple to use, very powerful and fits all the OP's requirements.
A little briefing first; I've been a Delphi person for years, and been away from C# for two years. The last thing I've done in C# was a mid scale DB app with my own custom DAL. Ie, I had coded my own functions to retrieve data as list, functions to append data and so on. Now I am offered a small to mid scale project using C# WinForms and SQL Server, and there's a deadline which is about 2 or 3 weeks. Note that I forgot LINQ syntax and lots of things.
Now, which ORM would be easiest and fastest to learn? I can cope with not using business abstraction layer if need be, to gain time that is. I need something that'll ease manual labour. Thanks in advance.
For quick-to-implement etc, I'd look at LINQ-to-SQL; the jury is still out on who considers it to be full ORM, but tbh I don't care; it lets me map my data quickly, simply, conveniently and safely, with decent IDE/language support. The LINQ you generally need is pretty minimal... from, where, select, etc. And setting it up is just a case of telling the designer about the tables/columns vs clases/properties.
If I were you I would go for Entity framework. It's pretty simple,easy to implement, efficient and successful ORM tool. You can use LINQ as well in the entity framework while retrieving the data.
As a recent ex-Delphi developer I've been amazed with using MyGeneration to generate basic DAL/BLL classes from an existing database, via custom templates. Takes a lot of the drudgery out of the task.
I've also seen some high praise for Business Logic Toolkit for .NET. Its clean and simple architecture and small learning curve makes it very attractive. Not really ORM, but will get you up and running quickly.
If you search for the terms C#/ORM here, you will find lots of lively and interesting debates!
Choosing Database and ORM for a .NET project
Some suggestions on which .NET ORM to look at learning
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/132676/which-orm-for-net-would-you-recommend
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/146087/best-performing-orm-for-net
If you don't mind a commercial product, Lightspeed is almost too good to be true. I've used it for about 6 months now and it has helped me in every way possible, from designing the model using a graphical tool, to migrations when upgrading, updating the database with a single click, good unit testing, easy custom extending, validation, etc. At least try out the free version!
I have a project on .NET and MySQL. I've learned Devart LinqConnect in three weeks to complete it. All of LINQ functionality, wide support of MySQL, high quality support - like this product.
I've been looking around for a simple solution to this, trying my best to lean towards something like NHibernate, but so far everything I've found seems to be trying to solve a slightly different problem. Here's what I'm looking at in my current project:
We have an IBM iSeries database as a primary repository for a third party software suite used for our core business (a financial institution). Part of what my team does is write applications that report on or key off of a lot of this data in some way. In the past, we've been manually creating ADO .NET connections (we're using .NET 3.5 and Visual Studio 2008, by the way) and manually writing queries, etc.
Moving forward, I'd like to simplify the process of getting data from there for the development team. Rather than creating connections and queries and all that each time, I'd much rather a developer be able to simply do something like this:
var something = (from t in TableName select t);
And, ideally, they'd just get some IQueryable or IEnumerable of generated entities. This would be done inside a new domain core that I'm building where these entities would live and the applications would interface with it through a request/response service layer.
A few things to note are:
The entities that correspond to the database tables should be generated once and we'd prefer to manually keep them updated over time. That is, if columns/tables are added to the database then we shouldn't have to do anything. (If some are deleted, of course, it will break, but that's fine.) But if we need to use a new column, we should be able to just add it to the necessary class(es) without having to re-gen the whole thing.
The whole thing should be SELECT-only. We're not doing a full DAL here because we don't want to be able to break anything in the database (even accidentally).
We don't need any kind of mapping between our domain objects and the generated entity types. The domain barely covers a fraction of the data that's in there, most of it we'll never need, and we would rather just create re-usable maps manually over time. I already have a logical separation for the DAL where my "repository" classes return domain objects, I'm just looking for a better alternative to manual ADO to be used inside the repository classes.
Any suggestions? It seems like what I'm doing is just enough outside the normal demand for DAL/ORM tools/tutorials online that I haven't been able to find anything. Or maybe I'm just overlooking something obvious?
You might want to investigate this:
http://www.codesmithtools.com/
I've been on a few projects where this tool was used, and the developers were fond of it.
Warning: it's not freeware.
Adding to code4life's answer.
I recently used CodeSmith 2.6 on a pet project at home.
I tailored the templates to generate Partial classes with partial CRUD methods.
I then extended the partial classes and partial methods to provide basic mapping e.g. when "Order" is read, read the associated "OrderLines" etc.
A similar approach might work for you, and be simpler because really, you only want the R of CRUD :)
Hope this helps.
P.S. I need to switch from CS 2.6 to something else (possibly MyGeneration), as 2.6 is dependant on .Net 1.1, which is a problem as I'm moving to a 64 development machine.
UPDATE
I hear ya.
Have a good poke a MyGeneration mate, we use CodeSmith here in work, which is why I went for 2.6 at home (I'd a quick glance at MyGeneration, didn't get it immediately - which was more time than I had to give it - so switched back to CS).
MyGeneration is basically an open source version of CS.
Also, why not get it to generate the code ALWAYS - you can tweak to your hearts content with Partial Classes & Partial Methods, I know you think re-generating is overkill, but experience tells me it's one of those things that if you don't it have you'll need it, where as if you have it and need it you'll never notice.
At work I need to create a new web application, that will connect to an MySql Database.
(So far I only have expercience with Linq-To-Sql classes and MSSQL servers.)
My superior tells me to use the entity framework (he probably refers to Linq-To-Entity) and provide everything as a service based architecture. Unfortunately nobody at work has experience with that framework nor with a real nice server oriented architecture. This speficic project I'm leading will be long-term, meaning multiple years, so it would be best to design it the way, that multiple target plattforms like asp.net, c# wpf, ... could use it)
For now, the main target plattform is ASP.net
So I do have the following questions:
1) Where can I read best what's really behind service oriented architecture (but for now beginner tutorials work fine as well) and how to use it in best practise?
2) So far I can't see a real difference between Linq-To-Sql classes and the information I've googled so far on the 'entity framework'. So, whats the difference? Where do I find nice tutorials for it?
3) Is there any difference in the entity framework regarding the database server (MSSQL or MySQL)? If not, does that mean that code snipperts I will stumble across will word database independent?
4) I do use Visual Studio 2010. Do I have to regard something specific?
Also on the MSDN site are a great series of videos by Julie Lerman on EF 4.0
Videos
The idea is that this is meant to be as painless as possible.
Generate your entity model from source database(s)
Publish using .Net Data Service
Write client components to subscribe to the Data Service
I could explain how ll this works but i feel its best to let the experts say it all ...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa697427%28VS.80%29.aspx
Sounds like a great project, good luck with it :)
Hope this helps.
Have you checked out the microsoft white papers? For example here.
If I were leading a team on a project that size though I'd be looking to pick up some good books, and I'd be asking my employer to pay for them. Get on Amazon and see what has good reviews. There's only so much you can pick up from the internet imho.
I am working on a .NET web application that uses an SQL Server database with approximatly 20 to 30 tables.
Most tables will be included in the .NET solution as class.
I have written my own data access layer to read the objects from, and write them to the database.
The whole thing is consist of just a few classes and very few lines of code en uses generics and reflection to find out what SQL and parameters to use.
Now, such thing could be done by using NHibernate (or similair framework) and some co-workers claim that is foolish of me not to use it.
My main argument for not using it is that i want maximum control over my application, know exactly what everything does and how everything works, even if that costs me more development time.
I also dont like the fact i have to map my database in XML files (my own solution lets me map it in the entity class files).
So, what i would like to hear from you is, is it really stupid to not use NHibernate in this situation?
Am i really being ignorant or is it not such a strange idea to use my own solution?
I think these days there really isn't any reason to roll your own persistence framework since there are so many good choices out there. You don't have to use NHibernate (though it is a good choice) but I would seriously consider using something that is well tested and established in the industry as it will tend to perform better and have less bugs that something you write yourself.
It probably is foolish to write your own classes instead of using NHibernate, but it's less foolish to continue using your own classes, given that you've already written them. Maybe.
I won't call you foolish because I've done exactly the same thing in the past. Then I started using NHibernate and wondered why the hell I rolled my own. It's good, give it a go.
You have several possibilities that are probably better than you reinventing the wheel. Let me name two most likely choices:
Use Entity Framework for your DAL+DAO. This will make your classes (that you've already written) obsolete, since EF will create their own and you'll get up to date with latest language capabilities and technologies.
Use Fluent NHibernate so you don't have to work with XML mappings. This way you'll keep your business layer object classes you've written and avoid tedious NHibernation XML files. It's all C#.
Your way of thinking is good. You want control. That's fine. But using your own DAL is a bit foolish these days, because you are basically reinventing the wheel, plus you'll have not tested/buggy code that will take considerable time to develop+test+debug.
If I were you, I'd go with the #2 option, since I've done option #1 and I know I had to customize lots of things to make EF work as it should. EF will be ready with V2.
People tend to use frameworks that are already written because, well, they're already written (and tested).
But there IS merit to rolling your own. Only you and your colleagues can make assumptions about your domain. A generic framework like NHibernate cannot make many assumptions, because that wouldn't make it very universal.
When you roll your own, you can bake these assumptions into your framework, to make a more streamlined, natural API. That said, if you were starting over I would have suggested taking an existing framework and wrapping it to better suit your needs. But since you already have something and it works for you, I'm not sure that I would suggest swapping it out for something else.
It depends on what they mean by "foolish."
If by "foolish" they mean you shouldn't have written your persistence layer in the first place, they're probably right, but that's crying over spilled milk.
If by "foolish" they mean you should rewrite all your existing code to use another framework (like NHibernate) when it's already working with yours, they're probably wrong (although there's something to be said for # of bugs in NHibernate vs likely # of bugs in yours).
If by "foolish" they mean the entire team knows NHibernate cold, and it's already used in the rest of your code, so by using your framework you're making it harder on the team, they're absolutely right, and you should probably refactor the code in NHibernate as soon as possible, before any more code gets locked in to your framework.
If by "foolish" they mean no one there really knows NHibernate, they just like it, then... nobody wins. They're being fussy, you implemented a framework you didn't have to... let's call it a tie.
All of that said, everyone should write a persistence framework or three. Those probably shouldn't end up in anything that ships, but it's a good exercise. The only mistake you made was tying code the team had to maintain into your good exercise.
There are many good persistence tools out there that are well tested and have proven performance (NHibernate, Linq to entities, LLBL Gen Pro). If your needs are very different from the normal persistence frameworks that exist then I would roll my own. I would want to take advantage of the testing and optimizations of an existing tool if at all possible, however.
That being said, I might also roll my own if I wanted to have the experience of building my own ORM tool and was willing to live with the downsides (not as well tested or optimized as tools that have been around for years, speed to market).
Making your own solution, especially when it seems to work fine and be as simple as you say, is neither ignorant nor strange. There are lots of situations where it's better to do that than to add a dependency on a separate project like nHibernate.
That said, there are of course also a lot of situations where the complete opposite is true. :)
It really depends on your project and team. If you are developing an enterprise application that will eventually be supported by someone else, sticking to industry standards might be a good idea even if it means a bit more work up front.
All of the answers here are great, but I am really surprised that nobody has mentioned Castle ActiveRecord, it sounds very similar to what your framework does and really simplifies the interface to NHibernate. It's one of the patterns that made Ruby on Rails so popular after all!
Ayende Rahien (one of the principal NH developers) gave a GREAT presentation on ActiveRecord at Oredev a few years ago which I highly recommend: http://www.viddler.com/explore/oredev/videos/89
I think that it is a matter of balance of control. You say that you want control and you don't want mappings. If this control comes at the cost that there is an increased development and maintenance cost and that it takes longer to produce working code, then it is a problem.
I personally don't see a problem in rolling a framework as long as it simplifies a repetitive task and makes development more productive and code more stable due to less room for interpretation. We have rolled our own framework, that includes a persistence/data access implementation. Our reasons for doing it, though, were specific. In this case, it was to work within a DDD environment that was much closer to what Evans describes than what most off the shelf products were providing.
I think the difference is, though, that we understood that there was an upfront cost and that it would eventually balance itself out through savings in development time in the future. Of course, if you are writing code that you manually have to manage connections, map data, etc., you are probably going down the wrong path. At the very least, you could be using something like Enterprise Library to help you manage the tedium of connectivity and command construction. But, I also think, that if you have no reuse - nothing that is a "framework" type of implementation that you can abstract and apply to other projects, then you are creating a maintenance nightmare and time sink that you will be the sole owner of.
We were also using our own Data Access Layer and entity classes. We also had a code generator who used to generate all this classes for us. But now we are using Entity Framework and we are more then happy.
Simple advise : Start learning nHibernate or whatever you prefer and start using it in your next project.
Entity Spaces - http://www.entityspaces.net/Portal/Default.aspx
is also a good tool.
I ended up using Fluent NHibernate for the job.
All my entity classes were generated with ActiveRecordGenerator (http://code.google.com/p/active-record-gen/)