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I found out that windows 8 is going to be heavily dependent on C++, HTML5 and CSS based apps(WPF ?). I spend a lot of time working on applications like matlab, scipy and C# as programming language at my workplace. Considering this, is there going to be any big change for desktop app developers ? are these apps going to be re-written under new code and C# has any future for desktop apps?
A lot of hearsay at the moment until September it seems there is nothing definite.
There is wide speculation on whether Jupiter will be the unifying
user-interface model for Windows, Web and mobile. Burela believes
Jupiter may a “next generation” XAML-based framework, perhaps a
“mashup between WPF & Silverlight.”
There also appears to be equally strong support for three key
programming languages: C# to appease the .NET developers, C++ to
appease the Windows core developers, and HTML5/JavaScript to try to
lure developers from other platforms.
Of course the controversy has been Microsoft’s focus on JavaScript
while nearly ignoring Silverlight and .NET developers. Articles like
this one — though unofficial and speculative — should help calm some
nervous developers.
Source: http://www.isdotnetdead.com/windows-8-supports-all-programming-models/#
ZDnet try asking probing questions.
Here is another link about the future of C#
Okay, your question confuses some terms - based on the articles you cite.
Microsoft are quoted as saying that the application they demonstrated on Windows 8 was written using HTML and JavaScript. The article interprets this as saying that WPF and Silverlight are likely to be binned in favour of HTML and JavaScript.
Let's have a think about this.
As far as I'm aware, Microsoft have been really keen to run applications in the Browser for a very long time. They have made ActiveX controls that run in a browser, they have written Silverlight to run in a browser. They are one of the leaders in the whole "browser based applications" concept. People may criticise their methods of achieving this in the past, but at least they were trying.
When you consider that Microsoft currently have a desktop package called Office and also a web-based package called Office365, you can understand why they might want to just have one package to maintain that works on the desktop and in a browser.
My final note - the ARS Technica article describes HTML tooling as inferior, but seeing as you can use the same tools to write a WPF application or an HTML application I don't agree with this point.
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Ok friends, I'm a C# WPF .net developer and have been working pretty much exclusively with UI development in one language or another for the last 15 years. The last 7 have been with C# and I have to admit that I am spoiled.
So, the question is: How do I get started, and what tools are best to use? I see that MonoTouch is out there, but it looks like it is now called Xamarin. What about PhoneGap, Titanium, Appcelorator? Are there others I haven't heard of yet?
I am just wanting to break into Android Development and/or iPad/iTouch development, but don't want to go native. I would like to leverage my C# skills, preferably WPF, but I have no idea which tools support that for Android/iPad/iTouch development.
Which ones integrate with Visual Studio?
Anybody who has REAL EXPERIENCE with any of the above, or one that I haven't heard of, please chime in and point me in the right direction.
I really appreciate it.
Phonegap works by having a web view loading a html & javascript application, so, you wouldn't be using C#, and the results usually are a far shot from a native app.
In contrast, mono touch compiles your C# code so it can run natively on your mobile platform, and since they implement a wrapper around the native libraries you are suposed to be able to write applications as good as if you had gone native. On your case i think that would be pretty much the best way around.
By the way, Mono Touch doesn't remove the requirement of having a mac to develop iOS applications.
One of the best technologies is the Mono for Android/iOS framework - specifically for the fact that you can target 3 platforms just by coding for the one. Of course UI is independent so you'll still need to learn each platforms Design patterns etc... But here
http://xamarin.com/?gclid=CM_agZWFgLYCFUvHtAodeDYADw
The best place to start
If you're coming from WPF and familiar with the MVVM pattern you will find loads of js frameworks that share the same approach (KnockoutJs is a good one), basically this is what you'll be using if you want to go with a cross platform solution like PhoneGap wich is nothing more than wrapper for a webapp, and a few apis to access your device.
Personally I find PhoneGap a good solution only if you want to access the features of your device within a simple application.
As soon you start to add pages to it the feeling lack of responsiveness will make you wonder why you didn't go native from the start.
I would go for Xamarin. The Xamarin 2.0 has Visual Studio integration. You can write code for iOS or Android on Visual Studio 2012 (I am a ReSharper fan :) ).
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I have experience in C/C++ and C#, and I'm planning to create a large software with the help of my friends, which will also include a GUI. It will focus on computer security and analysis, something like penetration testing, risk management, etc. The point is that I want it to be multi-platform software. I want it especially to work in Windows, Linux and Mac OS X. The point is that I don't know which programming language and programming paradigms/tools to use for this purpose. I want to hear your suggestions, any suggestion is highly welcomed. I plan to do several large software developments in the next few years, therefore, I'm even highly willing to learn new programming languages or tools, which will be useful and ease my job.
C++ with Qt is multiplatform as well. It contains nice GUI libraries and Qt-containers such QString, QMap which make you work easier.
EDIT:
Using QtCreator you can design your GUI by 'Drag and drop'.
You could use Mono to develop c# projects cross platform.
http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page
Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily create cross platform applications. It is an open source implementation of Microsoft's .Net Framework based on the ECMA standards for C# and the Common Language Runtime. We feel that by embracing a successful, standardized software platform, we can lower the barriers to producing great applications for Linux.
I think Java is a good candidate for this. It works on all platforms where JVM is installed, it has many components you might use (GUI, security etc), and very easy syntax. Typically development in Java is much faster than in C++.
Hope this helps
You might be fine with a Web App.
If your audience is developers, then you might consider Java, or you might consider a language for a common backend (e.g. C++) with either dependence on a common UI library or dependence on platform specific UI libraries. Even if your audience is for developers, you can lose people's interest if it does not have a native-feeling UI. So you have a bit of a decision to make to determine how important that native look and feel is versus the amount platform specific code you write -- that really can't be answered by us.
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I was wondering if anyone has any tips on transitioning from PHP to asp.net c#? I've been developing in PHP for 7 years and I'm interested in learning asp.net. However, I've been disappointed with the books that I've read so far. Seems like every asp.net book has so many examples of clicking here and dragging here and right click on this, etc... that I seem to get lost. Learning the C# language isn't bad...I think I'm getting lost in either the IDE or the .NET framework. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
I suggest you look at asp.net/mvc, not webforms - it will be a more natural migration.
The good resource is the official site: http://asp.net/mvc - it has tutorials, videos and more.
The .NET base class library (BCL) is very large. It is what you will interact with most of the time (outside of your own code). The only advice I can give - look things up on MSDN. It has very good documentation and it is worth taking your time reading through it.
For Visual Studio - the VS tips and tricks blog is a really good resource to learn about it.
Coming from PHP there's probably less you need to un-learn (I was a classic ASP programmer for a long time and made the jump to .NET about seven years ago).
Microsoft has a bunch of free tutorials, as does the W3Schools site. I found the Macon State tutorials to be extremely helpful when I was starting out:
http://www.maconstateit.net/tutorials/aspnet20/default.htm
The Microsoft exam prep books are pretty straightforward, too, mostly dealing with code instead of drag-and-drop.
I felt the exact same way about the .NET / Visual Studio environment when I first approached it.
If you're not into all the GUI stuff I would recommend George Shepherd's ASP.NET 4 Step by Step from Microsoft Press.
I learned ASP.NET basics on the 3.5 version of this book and I loved it. He really starts with the nuts and bolts stuff (open a telnet window and interact directly with the HTTP server for example) that I think would appeal to most *NIX veterans. His approach gave me a good feel for what all the complicated controls in ASP.NET are really doing under the hood, which was instrumental in growing my understanding of the platform.
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-ASP-NET-Step/dp/0735627010/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1325190956&sr=1-5
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I am a experienced PHP developer and planning to learn C# for developing desktop apps. Being unfamiliar with C# and desktop languages I couldnt find a good Video tutorial, and Visual C# different then C#?
Can anyone please link me to good Video Series for learning C#
there are some good C# tutorials here from msdn.
Also Microsoft has some videos here : http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vcsharp/bb798022
NOTE: If you know Java by any chance, you might be wasting your time on video tutorials, C# is so similar to Java and you can pick it up by experience during the project you are working on. The MSDN library is very helpful and similar to Java API.
If you want to learn to develop desktop applications in C# then there are two obvious directions to go...
Windows Forms video tutorials: http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos.aspx
WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation) video tutorials: http://windowsclient.net/learn/videos_wpf.aspx
Windows Forms is the "old school" framework for quickly setting up user interfaces for Windows desktops. WPF is the newer framework that allows for more flexibility and modularity with your code.
C# is just one of the languages offered by Microsoft to generate .NET code. Some of the videos will feature heavy use of C# whereas others might feature VB (Visual Basic) or even XAML (a declarative language used in WPF).
Have fun!
Once I watched these video series. There are 35 videos about C#. Some of them are really relative with desktop application. http://www.quack-ware.com/tutorials/CSharp.aspx?page=1
Pluralsight has a good training program with a free trial period: http://www.pluralsight-training.net/microsoft/courses/Index
Microsoft's Channel 9 has a lot of great videos. It is really about .Net in general, but has a lot of great stuff on C#. http://channel9.msdn.com/
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Appart from projects funded/pushed by MS itself, are there any real-world examples of projects that opted for Silverlight?
What were your experiences? Learning curve? Advantages? Resources? Pitfalls? Sacrifices?
--EDIT--
I'm most interested in the developing (team)'s story.
I was at a conference last week, and a number of non-MS people were telling their experiences of using Silverlight for line-of-business apps. Generally, it seemed positive. The advantage seemed that you could start with the Silverlight version, and then if you (later) needed more client control, mostly just copy the xaml and app code into WPF. mostly is important, as there are currently some glitches. But it is much harder to start with WPF and port to Silverlight ;-p
Sacrifices? Not as much power over the client. Limited framework, etc.
Pitfalls? Not-quite-compatible xaml. Different IO, etc.
I can't cite specific projects, as I simply didn't write them down ;-p Besides, they might be company-private. Knowing that they exist doesn't violate NDA ;-p
I've just reviewed the Silverlight showcase for the UK, an IT market I know pretty well, there are 31 apps featured and the break down looks like this
8 x Games = 26%,
6 x Experiments and fun = 19% - eg christmas cards and Xaml XEyes,
6 x Demos = 19% - eg a Deepzoom picture,
11 x Reasonable web sites = 36%
Realistically 31 apps for the whole of the UK, of which only around a third are real, is a tiny amount of development. This could indicate a couple of things,
1) Serious Silverlight development isn't happening in the UK, but maybe is elsewhere
2) Companies doing serious silverlight dev don't want to use Microsoft's showcase
3) There isn't much serious Silverlight development happening yet
My gut feel is that Silverlight is taking a while to become mainstream, it's a brilliant technology, but users don't buy technology or features, they buy benefits .... We need a couple of killer Silverlight apps, then it will take off like Ajax did, once google (and others) showed the way
Check out the Microsoft Silverlight Showcase. There seem to be quite a few Silverlight apps in the wild.
Retouch Genie Ltd - Online photo retouching and restoration site uses Silverlight for its gallery and main client area. Its got quite an interesting photo display control which is quite nice. Here is the link to the before and after gallery that allows you to see the photos in their original state and again after image enhancement.
We are in the middle of developing a system in silverlight that does real time communications with customers. The problems we've had are due to the lack of real-world samples and the change from VB to C# as there is next to no documentation in VB. Apart from that it has been great to develop in. Everything works well and development time was very quick considering it is a brand new technology. We're looking forward to the next release and it's enhanced video handling.
Checkout silverlight case studies for developer story:
business app - http://www.microsoft.com/casestudies/Case_Study_Detail.aspx?casestudyid=4000004876
I even developed an Android app with Silverlight and Java mixture. Without SL it would be really damn boring and probably impossible what I wanted to achieve, check it out: https://market.android.com/details?id=uk.co.aloneguid.todash&feature=search_result