Read this question today about safe and unsafe code I then read about it in MSDN but I still don't understand it. Why would you want to use pointers in C#? Is this purely for speed?
There are three reasons to use unsafe code:
APIs (as noted by John)
Getting actual memory address of data (e.g. access memory-mapped hardware)
Most efficient way to access and modify data (time-critical performance requirements)
Sometimes you'll need pointers to interface your C# to the underlying operating system or other native code. You're strongly discouraged from doing so, as it is "unsafe" (natch).
There will be some very rare occasions where your performance is so CPU-bound that you need that minuscule extra bit of performance. My recommendation would be to write those CPU-intesive pieces in a separate module in assembler or C/C++, export an API, and have your .NET code call that API. An possible additional benefit is that you can put platform-specific code in the unmanaged module, and leave the .NET platform agnostic.
I tend to avoid it, but there are some times when it is very helpful:
for performance working with raw buffers (graphics, etc)
needed for some unmanaged APIs (also pretty rare for me)
for cheating with data
For example of the last, I maintain some serialization code. Writing a float to a stream without having to use BitConverter.GetBytes (which creates an array each time) is painful - but I can cheat:
float f = ...;
int i = *(int*)&f;
Now I can use shift (>>) etc to write i much more easily than writing f would be (the bytes will be identical to if I had called BitConverter.GetBytes, plus I now control the endianness by how I choose to use shift).
There is at least one managed .Net API that often makes using pointers unavoidable. See SecureString and Marshal.SecureStringToGlobalAllocUnicode.
The only way to get the plain text value of a SecureString is to use one of the Marshal methods to copy it to unmanaged memory.
A friend and I have written an encryption module and we want to port it to multiple languages so that it's not platform specific encryption. Originally written in C#, I've ported it into C++ and Java. C# and Java will both encrypt at about 40 MB/s, but C++ will only encrypt at about 20 MB/s. Why is C++ running this much slower? Is it because I'm using Visual C++?
What can I do to speed up my code? Is there a different compiler that will optimize C++ better?
I've already tried optimizing the code itself, such as using x >> 3 instead of x / 8 (integer division), or y & 63 instead of y % 64 and other techniques. How can I build the project differently so that it is more performant in C++ ?
EDIT:
I must admit that I have not looked into how the compiler optimizes code. I have classes that I will be taking here in College that are dedicated to learning about compilers and interpreters.
As for my code in C++, it's not very complicated. There are NO includes, there is "basic" math along with something we call "state jumping" to produce pseudo random results. The most complicated things we do are bitwise operations that actually do the encryption and unchecked multiplication during an initial hashing phase. There are dynamically allocated 2D arrays which stay alive through the lifetime of the Encryption object (and properly released in a destructor). There's only 180 lines in this. Ok, so my micro-optimizations aren't necessary, but I should believe that they aren't the problem, it's about time. To really drill the point in, here is the most complicated line of code in the program:
input[L + offset] ^= state[state[SIndex ^ 255] & 63];
I'm not moving arrays, or working with objects.
Syntactically the entire set of code runs perfect and it'll work seamlessly if I were to encrypt something with C# and decrypt it with C++, or Java, all 3 languages interact as you'd expect they would.
I don't necessarily expect C++ to run faster then C# or Java (which are within 1 MB/s of each other), but I'm sure there's a way to make C++ run just as fast, or at least faster then it is now. I admit I'm not a C++ expert, I'm certainly not as seasoned in it as many of you seem to be, but if I can cut and paste 99% of the code from C# to C++ and get it to work in 5 mins, then I'm a little put out that it takes twice as long to execute.
RE-EDIT:
I found an optimization in Visual Studio I forgot to set before. Now C++ is running 50% faster then C#. Thanks for all the tips, I've learned a lot about compilers in my research.
Without source code it's difficult to say anything about the performance of your encryption algorithm/program.
I reckon though that you made a "mistake" while porting it to C++, meaning that you used it in a inefficient way (e.g. lots of copying of objects happens). Maybe you also used VC 6, whereas VC 9 would/could produce much better code.
As for the "x >> 3" optimization... modern compilers do convert integer division to bitshifts by themselves. Needless to say that this optimization may not be the bottleneck of your program at all. You should profile it first to find out where you're spending most of your time :)
The question is extreamly broad. Something that's efficient in C# may not be efficient in C++ and vice-versa.
You're making micro-optimisations, but you need to examine the overall design of your solution to make sure that it makes sense in C++. It may be a good idea to re-design large parts of your solution so that it works better in C++.
As with all things performance related, profile the code first, then modify, then profile again. Repeat until you've got to an acceptable level of performance.
Things that are 'relatively' fast in C# may be extremely slow in C++.
You can write 'faster' code in C++, but you can also write much slower code. Especially debug builds may be extremely slow in C++. So look at the type of optimizations by your compiler.
Mostly when porting applications, C# programmers tend to use the 'create a million newed objects' approach, which really makes C++ programs slow. You would rewrite these algorithm to use pre-allocated arrays and run with tight loops over these.
With pre-allocated memory you leverage the strengths of C++ in using pointers to memory by casting these to the right pod structured data.
But it really depends on what you have written in your code.
So measure your code an see where the implementations burn the most cpu, and then structure your code to use the right algorithms.
Your timing results are definitely not what I'd expect with well-written C++ and well-written C#. You're almost certainly writing inefficient C++. (Either that, or you're not compiling with the same sort of options. Make sure you're testing the release build, and check the optimization options.
However, micro-optimizations, like you mention, are going to do effectively nothing to improve the performance. You're wasting your time doing things that the compiler will do for you.
Usually you start by looking at the algorithm, but in this case we know the algorithm isn't causing the performance issue. I'd advise using a profiler to see if you can find a big time sink, but it may not find anything different from in C# or Java.
I'd suggest looking at how C++ differs from Java and C#. One big thing is objects. In Java and C#, objects are represented in the same way as C++ pointers to objects, although it isn't obvious from the syntax.
If you're moving objects about in Java and C++, you're moving pointers in Java, which is quick, and objects in C++, which can be slow. Look for where you use medium or large objects. Are you putting them in container classes? Those classes move objects around. Change those to pointers (preferably smart pointers, like std::tr1::shared_ptr<>).
If you're not experienced in C++ (and an experienced and competent C++ programmer would be highly unlikely to be microoptimizing), try to find somebody who is. C++ is not a really simple language, having a lot more legacy baggage than Java or C#, and you could be missing quite a few things.
Free C++ profilers:
What's the best free C++ profiler for Windows?
"Porting" performance-critical code from one language to another is usually a bad idea. You tend not to use the target language (C++ in this case) to its full potential.
Some of the worst C++ code I've seen was ported from Java. There was "new" for almost everything - normal for Java, but a sure performance killer for C++.
You're usually better off not porting, but reimplementing the critical parts.
The main reason C#/Java programs do not translate well (assuming everything else is correct). Is that C#/Java developers have not grokked the concept of objects and references correctly. Note in C#/Java all objects are passed by (the equivalent of) a pointer.
Class Message
{
char buffer[10000];
}
Message Encrypt(Message message) // Here you are making a copy of message
{
for(int loop =0;loop < 10000;++loop)
{
plop(message.buffer[loop]);
}
return message; // Here you are making another copy of message
}
To re-write this in a (more) C++ style you should probably be using references:
Message& Encrypt(Message& message) // pass a reference to the message
{
...
return message; // return the same reference.
}
The second thing that C#/Java programers have a hard time with is the lack of Garbage collection. If you are not releasing any memory correctly, you could start running low on memory and the C++ version is thrashing. In C++ we generally allocate objects on the stack (ie no new). If the lifetime of the object is beyond the current scope of the method/function then we use new but we always wrap the returned variable in a smart pointer (so that it will be correctly deleted).
void myFunc()
{
Message m;
// read message into m
Encrypt(m);
}
void alternative()
{
boost::shared_pointer<Message> m(new Message);
EncryptUsingPointer(m);
}
Show your code. We can't tell you how to optimize your code if we don't know what it looks like.
You're absolutely wasting your time converting divisions by constants into shift operations. Those kinds of braindead transformations can be made even by the dumbest compiler.
Where you can gain performance is in optimizations that require information the compiler doesn't have. The compiler knows that division by a power of two is equivalent to a right-shift.
Apart from this, there is little reason to expect C++ to be faster. C++ is much more dependent on you writing good code. C# and Java will produce pretty efficient code almost no matter what you do. But in C++, just one or two missteps will cripple performance.
And honestly, if you expected C++ to be faster because it's "native" or "closer to the metal", you're about a decade too late. JIT'ed languages can be very efficient, and with one or two exceptions, there's no reason why they must be slower than a native language.
You might find these posts enlightening.
They show, in short, that yes, ultimately, C++ has the potential to be faster, but for the most part, unless you go to extremes to optimize your code, C# will be just as fast, or faster.
If you want your C++ code to compete with the C# version, then a few suggestions:
Enable optimizations (you've hopefully already done this)
Think carefully about how you do disk I/O (IOStremas isn't exactly an ideal library to use)
Profile your code to see what needs optimizing.
Understand your code. Study the assembler output, and see what can be done more efficiently.
Many common operations in C++ are surprisingly slow. Dynamic memory allocation is a prime example. It is almost free in C# or Java, but very costly in C++. Stack-allocation is your friend.
Understand your code's cache behavior. Is your data scattered all over the place? It shouldn't be a surprise then that your code is inefficient.
Totally of topic but...
I found some info on the encryption module on the homepage you link to from your profile http://www.coreyogburn.com/bigproject.html
(quote)
Put together by my buddy Karl Wessels and I, we believe we have quite a powerful new algorithm.
What separates our encryption from the many existing encryptions is that ours is both fast AND secure. Currently, it takes 5 seconds to encrypt 100 MB. It is estimated that it would take 4.25 * 10^143 years to decrypt it!
[...]
We're also looking into getting a copyright and eventual commercial release.
I don't want to discourage you, but getting encryption right is hard. Very hard.
I'm not saying it's impossible for a twenty year old webdeveloper to develop an encryption algorithm that outshines all existing algorithms, but it's extremely unlikely, and I'm very sceptic, I think most people would be.
Nobody who cares about encryption would use an algorithm that's unpublished. I'm not saying you have to open up your sourcecode, but the workings of the algorithm must be public, and scrutinized, if you want to be taken seriously...
There are areas where a language running on a VM outperforms C/C++, for example heap allocation of new objects. You can find more details here.
There is a somwhat old article in Doctor Dobbs Journal named Microbenchmarking C++, C#, and Java where you can see some actual benchmarks, and you will find that C# sometimes is faster than C++. One of the more extreme examples is the single hash map benchmark. .NET 1.1 is a clear winner at 126 and VC++ is far behind at 537.
Some people will not believe you if you claim that a language like C# can be faster than C++, but it actually can. However, using a profiler and the very high level of fine-grained control that C++ offers should enable you to rewrite your application to be very performant.
When serious about performance you might want to be serious about profiling.
Separately, the "string" object implementation used in C# Java and C++, is noticeably slower in C++.
There are some cases where VM based languages as C# or Java can be faster than a C++ version. At least if you don't put much work into optimization and have a good knowledge of what is going on in the background. One reason is that the VMs can optimize byte-code at runtime and figure out which parts of the program are used often and changes its optimization strategy. On the other hand an old fashioned compiler has to decide how to optimize the program on compile-time and may not find the best solution.
The C# JIT probably noticed at run-time that the CPU is capable of running some advanced instructions, and is compiling to something better than what the C++ was compiled.
You can probably (surely with enough efforts) outperform this by compiling using the most sophisticated instructions available to the designated C.P.U and using knowledge of the algorithm to tell the compiler to use SIMD instructions at specific stages.
But before any fancy changes to your code, make sure are you C++ compiling to your C.P.U, not something much more primitive (Pentium ?).
Edit:
If your C++ program does a lot of unwise allocations and deallocations this will also explain it.
In another thread, I pointed out that doing a direct translation from one language to another will almost always end up in the version in the new language running more poorly.
Different languages take different techniques.
Try the intel compiler. Its much better the VC or gcc. As for the original question, I would be skeptical. Try to avoid using any containers and minimize the memory allocations in the offending function.
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Now, seriously, no one can answer the question without the source code.
But as a rule of the thumb, the fact that C++ is that much slower than managed one most likely points to the difference of memory management and object ownership issues.
For instance, if your algorithm is doing any dynamic memory allocations inside the processing loop, this will affect the performance. If you pass heavy structures by the value, this will affect the performance. If you do unnecessary copies of objects, this will affect the performance. Exception abuse will cause performance to go south. And still counting.
I know the cases when forgotten "&" after the parameter name resulted in weeks of profiling/debugging:
void DoSomething(const HeavyStructure param); // Heavy structure will be copied
void DoSomething(const HeavyStructure& param); // No copy here
So, check your code to find possible bottlenecks.
C++ is not a language where you must use classes. In my opinion its not logical to use OOP methodologies where it doesnt really help. For a encrypter / decrypter its best not use classes; use arrays, pointers, use as few functions / classes / files possible. Best encryption system consists of a single file containing few functions. After your function works nice you can wrap it into classes if you wish. Also check the release build. There is huge speed difference
Nothing is faster than good machine/assembly code, so my goal when writing C/C++ is to write my code in such a way that the compiler understands my intentions to generate good machine code. Inlining is my favorite way to do this.
First, here's an aside. Good machine code:
uses registers more often than memory
rarely branches (if/else, for, and while)
uses memory more often than functions calls
rarely dynamically allocates any more memory (from the heap) than it already has
If you have a small class with very little code, then implement its methods in the body of the class definition and declare it locally (on the stack) when you use it. If the class is simple enough, then the compiler will often only generate a few instructions to effect its behavior, without any function calls or memory allocation to slow things down, just as if you had written the code all verbose and non-object oriented. I usually have assembly output turned on (/FAs /Fa with Visual C++) so I can check the output.
It's nice to have a language that allows you to write high-level, encapsulated object-oriented code and still translate into simple, pure, lightning fast machine code.
Here's my 2 cents.
I wrote a BlowFish cipher in C (and C#). The C# was almost 'identical' to the C.
How I compiled (i cant remember the numbers now, so just recalled ratios):
C native: 50
C managed: 15
C#: 10
As you can see, the native compilation out performs any managed version. Why?
I am not 100% sure, but my C version compiled to very optimised assembly code, the assembler output almost looked the same as a hand written assembler one I found.
For me , the Pointer was one of the hardest concept in programming languages in C++. When I was learning C++, I spent tremendous amount of time learning it. However, Now I primarily work in projects that are entirely written in languages like C#, and VB.NET etc. As a matter fact, I have NOT touched C++ for almost 4 years. Even though, C# has pointer, but I have not encouter the situation where I must use pointer in C#. So my question is , what kinds of productivity can we obtain in C# by using pointer ? what are the situation where the uses of the pointer is must?
You're already using lots of pointers in C#, except that they don't look like pointers. Every time you do something with an instance of a class, that's a pointer. You're getting almost all the potential benefit already, without the hassle.
It is possible to use pointers more explicitly in C#, which is what most people mean by C# pointers, but I would think the occasions would be very rare. They may be useful to link to C libraries and the like, but other than that I don't see much use for them.
Personally, I've never had a need for using pointers in .NET, but if you're dealing with absolute performance critical code, you'd use pointers. If you look at the System.String class, you'll see that a lot of the methods that handle the string manipulation, use pointers. Also, when dealing with image processing, very often it's useful to use pointers. Now, one can definitely argue whether those sort of applications should be written in .NET in the first place (I think they should), but at least if you need to squeeze out that extra bit of speed, you can.
I use pointers in C# only in rare circumstances that mostly have to do with sending/receiving data, where you have to convert a byte array to a struct and vice-versa. Though even then, you don't have to deal with pointers directly typically.
In some cases, you can use pointers to improve performance, because with the Marshaller, sometimes you have to copy memory to access data, while with pointers, you can access it directly (think Bitmap.Lock()).
Personally, I've never needed to use a pointer in C#. If I need that kind of functionality, I write that code in C++/CLI, and call it from C#. If I need to pass pointers from C# to C++/CLI or vice-versa, I pass them around as an IntPtr and cast it to the type I need in C++/CLI.
In my opinion - if you're using pointers in C#, in 99% of cases, you're using the language wrong.
Edit:
The nice thing about C++/CLI is that you can mark individual classes for native-only compilation. I do a lot of image processing work which needs to happen very quickly; it uses a lot of pointer-based code. I generally have a managed C++/CLI object forward calls to a native C++ object where my processing takes place. I turn on optimizations for that native code and viola, I get a nice performance gain.
Granted, this only matters if the performance gain you get by executing native, optimized code can offset the overhead of managed to unmanaged transitions. In my case, it always does.
I'm just starting out with C# and to me it seems like Microsoft Called their new system .Net because you have to use the Internet to look everything up to find useful functions and which class they stashed it in.
To me it seems nonsensical to require procedure/functions written and designed to stand alone ( non instantiated static objects) to have their class not also function as their namespace.
That is Why can't I use Write or WriteLine instead of Console.WriteLine ?
Then when I start to get used to the idea that the objects I am using ( like string) know how to perform operations I am used to using external functions to achieve ( like to upper, tolower, substring, etc) they change the rules with numbers, numbers don't know how to convert themselves from one numeric type to another for some reason, instead you have to invoke Convert class static functions to change a double to an int and Math class static functions to achieve rounding and truncating.. which quickly turns your simple( in other languages) statement to a gazillion character line in C#.
It also seems obsessed with strong typing which interferes somewhat with the thought process when I code. I understand that type safety reduces errors , but I think it also increases complexity, sometimes unnecessarily. It would be nice if you could choose context driven types when you wish without the explicit Casting or Converting or ToStringing that seems to be basic necessity in C# to get anything done.
So... Is it even possible to write meaningful code in notepad and use cl with out Internet access? What ref book would you use without recourse to autocomplete and Network access?
Any suggestions on smoothing the process towards grokking this language and using it more naturally?
I think you're suffering a bit from the fact that you've used to working in one way during some years, and now must take time to get yourself comfortable using / developing in a new platform.
I do not agree with you , that MS hasn't been consistent on the fact that a string knows how it should convert itself to another type, and other datatypes (like ints) do not.
This is not true, since strings do not know for themselves how they should be converted to another type as well. (You can use the Convert class to Convert types to other types).
It is however true that every type in .NET has a ToString() method, but, you should not rely on that method to convert whatever you have to a string.
I think you have never worked in an OO language before, and therefore, you're having some difficulties with the paradigm shift.
Think of it this way: it's all about responsabilities and behaviour. A class is (if it is well designed) responsible for doing one thing, and does this one thing good.
There is no excuse to use notepad to code a modern language. SharpDevelop or Visual C# Express provide the functionality to work with C# in a productive way.
And no, due to the complexity, not using the internet as a source of information is also not a good option.
You could buy a book that introduces you to the concepts of the language in a structured way, but to get up-to-date information, the internet is neccessary.
Yes, there are drawbacks in C#, like in any other language. I can only give you the advice to get used to the language. Many of the drawbacks become understandable after that, even if some of them don't become less annoying. I recommend that you ask clear, direct questions with example code if you want to know how some language constructs work or how you can solve specific problems more efficiently. That makes it easier to answer those questions.
For notepad, I have no useful advice, however I would advise you to use one of the free IDE's, Microsofts Express Editions, or Sharp Develop.
The IDE will speed the groking of the language, at which point, you can switch back to notepad.
Reading your post I was thinking that you worked mostly with C or dynamic languages previously. Maybe C# is just a wrong choice for you, there are IronPython, F# and a bunch of other languages that have necessary functionality (like functions outside of classes etc.)
I disagree with you about consistency. In fact there are small inconsistency between some components of .NET, but most part of FW is very consistent and predictable.
Strong typing is a huge factor in low defect count. Dynamic typing plays nice in small/intermediate projects (like scripts, etc). In more or less complex program dynamism can introduce a lot of complexity.
Regarding internet/autocomplete - I can hardly imagine any technology with size of .NET that doesn't require a lot of knowledge sources.
Programming in c# using notepad is like buying a ferrari to drive in dirt roads.
At least use Visual Studio Express Edition. For what you wrote I understand that you come from a non OO background, try to learn the OO concept and try to use it. You will eventually understand most design decisions made for .Net.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object-oriented_programming
Oh boy where do i start with you(this will be a long post hahaha), well, lets go little by little:
"Microsoft called their system .NET because you have to use Intenet...", the reason why is called .NET is because the SUITE OF MICROSOFT LANGUAGUES(and now some other ones too like Phyton and Ruby, etc) CAN CALL ANY LIBRARY or DLLs, example you can "NET"(Network OR CALL) a DLL that was built in Visual Basic, F#, C++ from WITHIN C# or from any of those languagues you can also call(or ".NET") C# libraries. OK ONE DOWN!!!
NEXT ONE: "it seems nonsensical to require....to have their class not also function as their namespace", this is because a Namespace can have AS MANY CLASSES AS YOU WISH, and your question:
"That is Why can't I use Write or WriteLine instead of Console.WriteLine ?".
The reason is because: "Console"(System.Console hense the "Using" statement at the beginning of your program) Namespace is where "Write" and "WriteLine" LIVES!!(you can also FULLY qualify it (or "call It"). (all this seems to me that you need to study C# Syntax), ok NEXT:
"when I start to get used to the idea that the objects...", ok in simple words:
C# is a "Strongly Type-Safe language" so that SHOULD-MUST tell you what "you are getting in to" otherwise STAY WITH "WEAK or NO TYPE SAFE LANGUAGES" LIKE PHP or C , etc. this does NOT means is bad it just MEANS IS YOUR JOB TO MAKE SURE, as i tell my students: "IF YOU NEED AN INT THEN DEFINE AN INT INSTEAD LETTING THE COMPILER DO IT FOR YOU OTHERWISE YOU WILL HAVE A LOT OF BAD BUGS", or in other words do YOUR homework BEFORE DESIGNING A PIECE OF SOFTWARE.
Note: C# is IMPLICITY TYPE SAFE language SO IF YOU WANT YOU CAN RUN IT AS UNSAFE so from then it wiLL be your job to make sure, so dont complain later(for being lazy) when bugs arrive AT RUNTIME(and a lot of times when the customer is already using your crappy software).
...and last but not least : Whey do you wan to shoot yourself by using notepad? Studio Express is FREE, even the database SQL SERVER is FREE TOO!!, unless you work for a company I WILL ASK FOR PRO, ETC. all the "extra" stuff is for large companies, teams, etc, YOU CAN DO 99% OF THE STUFF WITH THE FREE VERSIONS(and you can still buy-update to full version once you want to scalate to Distributed Software or a Large Project, or if your software becomes a big hit, Example: if you need millions of queryes or hits PER SECOND from your database or 100 people are working on same project(code) but for the majority of times for 2 or 3 "normal" developers working at home or small office the FREE ONES ARE ENOuGH!!)
cherrsss!!! (PS: Software Developer since the 80's)