Environment
Windows 8.1 64bit
Microsoft Visual Studio
C#
What I'm trying to do
To implement a mini language in C#
My job in my company is to make a software which automates evaluation of the performance of company products. The evaluation involves opening valves, flowing chemicals, fetching signals from sensors, calculating some values, etc...
The issue is when a user wants to change the procedure and parameters like how long the reaction time is, the order of opening valves, whether reaction conduit is flushed out or not, the programmer has to change the source code and build another software every time the user requires it.
So I'm trying to implement a mini language in C#. A user can organize a procedure of measurement with the easy-to-understand language. The user writes a code in a txt file, my software reads it, parse each line of code, extract commands and parameters, call corresponding method in the software.
For example, a user writes a line of code like open_valve(3), my software reads the code and call an internal method send_commands_to_ADconverter(VALVE, 3) which sends appropriate commands to a target valve via an A/D converter connected to the computer. This is my conception.
However, due to lack of my programming skill, I have no idea where to start. What technology is available? What are the keywords to achieve the goal? How can I achieve this objective? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
Edit 1
c# - Adding scripting functionality to .NET applications - Stack Overflow doesn't refer to accessing external devices like sensors, valves via A/D converter which is crucial for my purpose, so it is unclear this is a duplicate question of the link above.
In order to create a language you need a "parser" of some sort. You will need to define a "grammar". Parsing your "progam" via the grammar will result in a structure that you can then call methods in your code that implement each feature of your language.
You are on a big learning curve here :) lots of strange things like EBNF. You will probably see lots of references to things like Gold and ANTLR. These are hugely capable but involve things like "compiler compilers" and add a level of complexity that can be confusing and require extra steps in you build pipeline.
Here are a couple of libraries I've used that allow you to define you grammar in c#.
https://github.com/picoe/Eto.Parse
https://irony.codeplex.com/
Irony is very good (I've used it for various projects) but hasn't been maintained for a while.
Eto.Parse is more recent. It also has built in parsers that allow you to create a Grammer by parsing BNF. This is very cool
If I understand, your goal is to parse a syntax written by your user and take a decision with what he typed.
I suggest you to use regular expression to match and split the user input.
There are several scripting languages which can be run directly from C#.
As your users doesn't seem to have programming knowledge it might help to use a verbose language like VBScript.
To run VBScript you can use the Scripting Control. See this question for samples: Use Microsoft Scripting Control to evaluate 'If' expressions (via c#)
IIRC the script control must be run as a 32bit application.
Well, the easiest option would be to use what you already have - C#.
You can compile C# code on the fly, and it's very easy and cheap with the new compiler, Roslyn. Then all you need to do is define your interface so that it's easy to use for the users, and put that code in a method you can call from your code. This allows you to easily support all the various development tools for C# as well, including Visual Studio/VS Code. In the simplest form, all you need to do is make your "script" implement some base class that has all the methods you want the users to have - there's certainly better approaches, but this one is very simple, which sounds like something you're looking for.
Of course, this only makes sense if you can trust your users. Making safely sand-boxed code in C# is a lot more complicated (though certainly possible), and you'd probably be better off using some ready scripting solution.
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I'm doing a POC (Proof of concept) for a little open source project, to integrate Lua into c# looks pretty straight forward, but for this project we want to go a little further. We want to be able to edit Lua scripts from within our C# program (WPF client but we can go for winforms if that what it takes), the IDE needs basic code completion and that we can add our C# objects and methods (The ones you will be able to reach from the Lua scripts while running) so they will be auto completed.. Are they such a API available for C#?
edit: Schollii wanted some example code that i want code completion for
while true do
Mouse:setY(TrackIR:getPitch())
end
where Mouse and TrackIR are c# objects accessible from Lua script
If you want to integrate a Lua editor with syntax highlighting C#, IMO the easiest way is to go for the Scintilla control, which is available in C# through ScintillaNET. It already contains highlighter for the Lua language, and is relatively easy to embed and use.
For interfacing Lua with C#, you can use LuaInterface and back. See this question for documentation links.
Code completion will not be an easy task if you require completion beyond the standard library, which can be described in a simple dictionary. With Lua being a dynamic language, it is not trivial to deduce the contents of a variable before actually running the code up to a given point - it is not impossible, take a look at lua-inspect which is available for SciTE and ViM and allows code inspection (but it's not perfect).
If you want to try code in a running environment - i.e. you have a Lua state running with modules loaded and variables set - you can get inspired by Advanced Readline Support patch at LuaPowerPatches and adapt it to your enviroment in C#. It supports among other:
Completion of keywords and global variable names.
Recursive and metatable-aware completion of variable names.
Context sensitive delimiter completion.
It seems you just want an embeddable editor that can have code completion and syntax highlighting, preferably WPF based. It doesn't need to explicitly support Lua.
Have a look at Avalon Edit. Here is an article about it
You will have to implement the highlighting file and completions yourself within the framework it provides - but that looks easy enough.
I am not aware of any such libs. Some tool you will likely need/find useful are Luainterface and some open-source Lua editors that provide code comppletion such as blua and Scite. Note that code completion comes in different flavors, each with pros/cons in terms of power, ease of implementation, etc. For instance if you just want to provide a list of possible words that correspond to objects in global Lua namespace then you don't need much at all; if OTOH you want code completion to work with table fields and objects and various levels of nesting, work will be much increased.
I need to add functionality to my WPF application (in C#) that allows users to create their own rules and execute an action from a list of pre-defined actions. An example of what I need is the "Rules And Alerts" feature of Outlook.
I've just been recently introduced to functional programming and one part of me thinks this might be a perfect place to implement that. Another part of me thinks that workflows may be the best approach but I've never worked with workflows outside of SharePoint.
So, I'm looking for guidance from those who may have experience implementing such functionality. In my opinion, it is not so difficult to create a script (or whatever it's called), but the tricky part is parsing the script back into the designer.
Any other ideas will be greatly appreciated.
It sounds like for what you want, a scripting engine or Windows Workflow would be waaaay overkill. Those become interesting when there are custom actions to be defined with a high degree of flexibility but if it's really having normal users (without extensive training) select/customize a critera and then select/customize a pre-defined action, then I'd just mimic the Outlook approach you mentioned (also look at the "Conditional Formatting" feature in Excel)
The software company I work for offers data conversion as a service for new clients who have previously used other similar software. I've written a VB.NET application to automate common conversion operations, and have separate logic between known vendors. A particular file layout has become rather common, but due to the nature of how this particular competitor's application stores information, certain fields mean one thing for one client, and another for a different client.
Certain elements within this vendor's format change every time, so I've written the application to account for that. Because some data fields mean different things to different vendors, I have to change my mapping code every time. This wasn't an issue when I had one of these every six months or so, but these are becoming much more common and I would much rather find a way to further automate this process.
I was thinking of implementing a simple interpreted scripting language that would allow me to save the conversion settings for the client in a text file, so I'm not having to feed the settings into my app every time I run it. My goal is to have the time spent in implementing this pay off in faster conversions in the long run.
This is the example I had in my head:
# this is a comment
RECORD INCLUDE(source[Class] != 'I' && source[Category] != 99);
FIELDMAP
destination[name] == source[name];
desintation[address] == source[mailingaddress1];
...
END FIELDMAP
BEGIN
# logic goes here
END
I don't want to make this more complicated than it needs to be. I admit that I've never even looked into scripting and am kinda clueless as to where to start or what other considerations need to be made.
Are there already scripting libraries for .NET that will do most of what I want? Is scripting the wrong way to go about this? I really don't want to reinvent the wheel if there is a better way.
Thank you for any help. :)
IronPython (one of the the DLR languages Jake referred to) is a .NET implementation of the Python scripting language. It allows you to access .NET code (including framework classes and class you've written) and would be an excellent choice for this sort of task.
It doesn't have any real dependencies (other than the .NET Framework) and you won't need to learn much learn much Python-specific syntax in order to get the job done.
(If you decide to go with IronPython, I recommend using Notepad++ as your editor.)
Rather than write a custom language, you could embed any of the DLR languages (IronPython, IronRuby, or JScript), or you can use compiler services to compile VB.NET from your application.
Another idea ... if you only need to change the mappings between variable names, maybe you could just come up with a little XML file that would define the mappings.
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I have the task of developing an application to pull data from remote REST services and generating Excel reports. This application will be used by a handful of users at the company (10-15). The data load can reach 10,000-200,000 records. I have been debating whether to use Python or C#...
The only reason I am considering Python is because I am familiar with it and it would be less of a risk.
Personally I want to try use C# since this would be a good opportunity to learn it. The application is not too complicated so the overhead of learning it won't be too much... I think.
Are there any issues with C# that I should be concerned about for this type of program? The users run Windows XP... would users not having .NET installed be a major concern?
Thanks in advance.
EDIT:
I guess I need to stress the fact that the end users should be able to run the application without installing additional libraries/frameworks.
Why not IronPython which merges the two worlds together?
If you want to learn C# and you don't have such a limited time constraint, now might be a good time to try it. Also, though I haven't done Excel work with either Python or C#, I would expect it to be easier to work with Excel files with a Microsoft product rather than Python. If you're just dumping data in CSV format to a file, though, either Python or C# will work fine.
If you want to try something even crazier, you can use IronPython such that you'll have .NET resources available but you can still write in Python.
I would normally say, use what you know.
However, here you may have some performance issues using an interpreted language. I, myself, would use C#. If you want to learn it, now is as good of a time as any.
However, if your own cost/benefit analysis reveals that you would be better off in python, use that.
.NET will be required for C# on windows, but you can use the .NET Client Profile to make the install pretty painless.
I realize this is an old post but I guess I have some pertinent information for anyone coming across this in more recent times, as I have.
The Python library, Openpyxl has worked well for me for manipulating and creating excel files in my desktop based automation scripts.
http://openpyxl.readthedocs.io/en/default/usage.html
It is accessing the file directly from my understanding, unlike the Interop technique in c#. So wherever it runs, you wouldn't need Excel installed. If you're trying to get something on a server it might be an issue getting a licensed copy of Excel or ensuring it exists if your user is running this locally.
Using C# you have the full features of visual studio to help code, such as the code completion, debugging tools and error highlighting. However you can get most of that with Python in Visual Studio, though I've found it more complicated trying to get the right version of python tied to the project and whatnot.
In C# you can easily compile an executable whereas I believe you'll need to mess with loading some Python libraries to get close to a similar local executable with dependencies comparable to the C# output.
If the users have to install a C# client then not having .NET installed would be an issue. You can package the installer so it downloads the .NET runtime, but depending on what features you use it could be quite a big download.
If your application is web based then all the C# code runs on the server and just delivers HTML to the browser so whether .NET is installed or not shouldn't matter.
Integration with Excel will almost certainly be simpler from C#. Given the requirements "Windows only" and "Integrates with Excel", it would seem a simple choice that C# is better suited to this individual problem.
And, no, users' not having .NET is not a concern compared with Python as the alternative. The Dot Net framework is a standard part of Microsoft Update. In contrast, Python will almost certainly not be there on the average end users' machine. In your case, with an internal app, that last point might not matter of course.
If you are doing any kind of HTTP work with C# make sure you take a look at the new HttpClient library that is in WCF REST Starter Preview2. Ignore the name of that download, the HttpClient part can be used independently of WCF.
It is a WAY better client than just using HttpWebRequest.
If you do a web based application not having installed .NET in the client machine wont be a problem .. but I suppose you dont want to try both C# and web development at the same time
It is easy with Python to pull data from a web server, parse the JSON or XML, and generate some kind of report. If you need really good Excel integration (for example, your output is supposed to be an Excel spreadsheet that includes numerous graphs) C# might be better, but Python is still possible; there is PyExcelerator for writing rich spreadsheet files, and there is Python support for COM if you want to use COM to talk to Excel.
With Python it is also very easy to make a stand-alone executable, for example with py2exe.
This sounds like a batch tool, one that won't have a GUI; I think I would write it in Python if I were you, unless I really wanted a fun project to help me learn C#. But anything with a GUI, C# is probably better. (I haven't done GUI development with Python, but I have seen comments here and elsewhere that the performance of Python GUIs tend to be slow.)
The answer probably has more to do with the circumstances than the question of which is the better language for the task at hand.
If you have no prior C# experience, it's probably not a good idea to jump into it now and learn it as you go along. Syntax differences are trivial to learn, mastery is defined by knowing the dirty details and how to use the language's strengths to get the job done.
If you have plenty of time and starting over a lot is NOT an issue, or you have experience with a language that is paradigmatically very similar to C# (say, Java or C++), you could probably afford to take the risk and adapt to the new language very quickly.
If you don't care about efficiency (e.g. it's a pet project, you don't care much about your job or efficiency simply isn't important), try C# just to learn something new (always a good thing) or stick to Python to make sure you won't have to adjust your thinking too much (always a source of vulnerabilities and misunderstandings).
If you definitely want to use C#, you should play around with it in your "free time" (not necessarily at home, but preferably at work when there's nothing else to do) and thus build a skillset you can use once you have to start with the actual project. This way you'll already be familiar with the paradigm (to use the term loosely) and encounter less problems where they count.
Currently the project I'm working with does not have completely fixed models (due to an external influence) and hence I'd like some flexibility in writing them. Currently they are replicated across three different layers of the application (db, web api and client) and each has similar logic in it (ie. validation).
I was wondering if there is an approach that would allow me to write a model file (say in ruby), and then have it convert that model into the necessary c# files. Currently it seems I'm just writing a lot of boilerplate code that may change at any stage, whereas this generated approach would allow me to focus on much more important things.
Does anyone have a recommendation for something like this, a dsl/language I can do this in, and does anyone have any experience regarding something like this?
This can be easily done with ANTLR. If the output is similar enough you can simply use the text templating mechanism—otherwise it can generate an abstract syntax tree for you to traverse.
I have seen a system that used partial classes and partial methods to allow for regeneration of code without affecting custom code. The "rules engine" if you will was completely generated from a Visio state diagram. This is basically poor mans workflow but very easy to modify. The Viso diagram was exported to XML which was read in using powershell and T4 to generate the classes.
The above example is of an external DSL. I.E. external to the programming language that the application runs in. You could on the other hand create an internal DSL which is implemented and used in a programming language.
This and the previous article on DSLSs from Code-Magazine are quite good.
In the above link Neal Ford shows you how to create an internal DSL in C# using a fluent interface.
One thing he hasn't mentioned yet is that you can put this attribute [EditorBrowsable(EditorBrowsableState.Never)] on your methods so that they don't appear to intellisense. This means that you can hide the non-DSL (if you will) methods on the class from the user of the DSL making the fluent API much more discoverable.
You can see a fluent interface being written live in this video series by Daniel Cazzulino on writing an IoC container with TDD
On the subject of external DSLs you also have the option of Oslo (CTP at the moment) which is quite powerful in it's ability to let you create external DSLs that can be executed directly rather than for the use of code generation which come to think of it isn't really much of a DSL at all.
I think you are on the right track.
What I usually do in a situation like this is design a simple language that captures my needs and write a LL1 (Recursive Descent) parser for it.
If the language has to have non-trivial C# syntax in it, I can either quote that, or just wrap it in brackets that I can recognize, and just pass it through to the output code.
I can either have it generate a parse tree structure, and generate say 3 different kinds of code from that, or I can just have it generate code on the fly, either using a mode variable with 3 values, or just simultaneously write code to 3 different output files.
There's more than one way to do it. If you are afraid of writing parsers (as some programmers are), there is lots of help elsewhere on SO.