I have a problem, have not much experience in C #, so I did a lot of research and I'm stuck.
I have to make two applications C #, the first applications is windows forms, the second runs in the background, so that the first applications will be a (POS) sales point that need to communicate with the application background for information as (products, customers, etc ...) and send data, so do not want to use web service for problems like timeouts, so anyone can help me with some idea to perform this task?
it is important to mention that the application in background will be just one while the POS applcations wich will communicate with it will be a lot (n number of apps).
There is a myriad of ways of doing interprocess communication. As the question is so generic, I will point out some more common ways.
The background process can be a windows service which updates the DB and POS systems query the DB to retrieve what they need. Even if the background process reads from the same DB, you can have a separate table which has "finished" information ready for the POS piece to pick up. Now you can use a file instead of a DB to store this finished results too, but most folks prefer DB.
You can use WCF channel to establish communication between the POS piece and the background process.
You can convert your background process to a web-service and let your POS piece communicate using XML. I don't think any time-out issue should be a problem. You will have to explain better what time-out issue causes you to not use this option.
You can convert the whole piece into a web-site and the POS will simply be a browser then
You can use a bus like Tibco or MQ to pass data.
Or you can go the old fashioned way of TCP sockets.
The most preferred way is usually the web-servcie or web-site way depending on your constraints.
Typically you'll use a message queue for something like this. They are a component in ensuring clean separation of concerns reducing and cross-application coupling and are meant to receive messages by some publisher (thus freeing the publisher of any further responsibility), and pushing messages to some subscriber.
RabbitMQ is a popular framework: https://www.rabbitmq.com/
(note that RabbitMQ (and other ready-built frameworks) can sometimes be daunting for new application programmers as they handle a great many use cases. However the underlying concept of writing to a queue from one application and reading from the queue in the other application is really the key here... feel free to implement a small utility of your own as a learning experience, but I do recommend an pre-existing framework if you're comfortable using such)
One method is to use named pipes for such communications between different programs.
How to: Use Named Pipes for Network Interprocess Communication
If you do not want to use web service (based on soap protocol),
you could attempt to use web api. In this way, you could build rest based interfaces with json (json streaming between computers is faster than xml streaming).
I think the following link can be usefull to you:
http://www.asp.net/web-api/overview/getting-started-with-aspnet-web-api/using-web-api-with-aspnet-web-forms
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I am working on a library included in different services.
A specific service receive a message, after receiving that message my library reads it, then needs to save some data from this message.
In another service, after it receives a specific message, my library has to create a message with the data from the first message.
How can i do this ?
Obviously, i don't want to use a file where i put these informations, i'd like it to be well-done. I kept a look at the WCF Inter-Process sharing datas, but as everything is done inside my library, it doesn't work well... Any ideas?
I don't propose this as an answer but since I don't have the rights to commment, this will have to do.
It might be your library but that's irrelevant - you want to pass information from one .net process to another. And as far as I know you'll need to use some form of communication to do that - .net remoting, TCPIP or some other type of comms.
Quite a while ago I had two Windows apps communicating through shared memory and, if your apps are all running on the same machine, this might be worth a look. These links may help: https://sharedmemory.codeplex.com/
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd997372(v=vs.110).aspx
When a message arrives, you will need your apps to know that there is data available for them. If they are running on separate machines you will have to have some sort of comms, but if they are on the same machine a system wide event may be the way to go.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/yfk7eby4(v=vs.110).aspx
Hope this helps!
Regards,
Adam.
I'm trying to design an application that will allow two users over a network to play the prisoner's
dilemma game (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma).
Basically, this involves:
Game starts (Round 1).
Player 1 chooses to either cooperate, or betray.
Player 2 chooses to either cooperate, or betray.
Each other's decisions are then displayed
Round 2 begins
Etc.
I've done some thinking and searching and I think the application should contain the following:
Server class that accepts incoming tcp/ip connections
Gui clients (Seperate program)
For each connection (maximum 2) the server will create a new ConnectedClient class. This class will contain the details of the two player's machines/identities.
The Server class and the ConnectedClient class will connect/subscribe events to each so they can alert one another when e.g. server instruction ready to transmit to players, or players have transmitted their inputs to the server.
I'm not sure whether the best approch is to use a single thread to do or the work, or have it multithreaded. Single threaded would obviously be easier, but I'm not sure whether it is possible for this situation - I've never made a application before requiring TCP/IP connections, and I'm not sure if you can listen for two incoming connections on one thread.
I've found the following guide online, but it seems that it opens two clients on two threads, and they communicate directly to each other - bypassing the server (which I will need to control the game logic): http://www.codeproject.com/Articles/429144/Simple-Instant-Messenger-with-SSL-Encryption-in-Cs
I'm very interested and would be grateful on any advice on how you would go about implementing the application (mainly the server class).
I hope I've explained my intentions clearly. Thanks in advance.
My 1st advice would be to forget about TCP/IP and sockets here. You definitely can do it with that technology stack, but you would also get a lot of headache implementing all the things you want. And the reason is it too low level technology for such a class of tasks. I would go with tcp/ip and sockets only for academic interest, or if I need tremendous control over the communication, or if I have very high performance requirements.
So, my 2nd advice would be to look at WCF technology. Don't be afraid if you haven't used it before. It's not that difficult. And if you were ready to use sockets for your app, you can handle WCF definitely. For you task you can create basic communication withing 1-2 hours from scratch using any WCF tutorial.
So, I would create a server WCF service which will have some API functions containing your business logic. It can be hosted within a windows service, IIS, or even a console application.
And your clients would use that WCF service, calling their functions like it's functions from another local class in your project. WCF could also help you do the events which you want (it's a little bit more advanced topic though). And you can even forget about threading here, most of the things will be working out of the box.
First, as others have said, separate your game logic as much as you can, so the basic funcionality won't depend too much on your comunication infrastructure.
For the communication, WCF can handle the task. You can make your clients send a request to a service hosted in IIS, doing some kind of identification/authentication, and open a Duplex channel from where your service can push results and comunicate the start of new rounds.
Once one client connects, it waits for another. When it happens, it notifies the first client using the Duplex Channel callback and awaits for its choice. Then it asks the second user, awaits for its response. When it comes, it notifies the result to both and restarts the game.
Going a little bit deeper in the implementation:
You will have a service with some operations (like Register, PushDecision, more if needed). You will also define a callback interface, with the operations your service will need to push to the client (NotifyResult, RequestDecision, again, these are examples). You then create proxies for your clients that maps to your service operations and implement the callback operations in a way it expose events and raise them when the service pushs messages.
A use case:
Client A creates the proxy, calls Register on the server. The server receives the call, register the cilent and saves the callback object in a state. A duplex connection will be established. What does that mean? It means that (if you using the PollingDuplexBinding, as you probably will) from now on the proxy object in Client A will be doing long poll requests to the server, checking if there is a callback message. If there isnt, then it long polls again. If there is, it calls the method of the callback in the proxy passing the data the server has push. The callback method in the proxy will tipically raise an event, or execute a delegate, its up to you to choose.
Client B connects (calling Register), does the same as it did to A, and the server, noticing that two clients are connected, requests a response to A through its saved callback. This can happen during the processing of the B's Register call, or it can be triggered to execute in a new thread (or better, run in the ThreadPool or start a new Task) in B's register call.
Client A will receive the server callback requesting its choice. It can then notify the user and get the choice through the UI. A new call is made to the server (PushDecision, for example). The server receives Client A choice, asks B the same way. Once it has both responses, it calculates the result and pushes the outcome to the Clients.
An advantage of using Duplex Channels with PollingDuplex with WPF is that, as it uses long polling, there will be no need to use other ports than 80.
This is by no means a final implementation, is just a little guide to give you some ideas instead of just giving you some misty advices. Of course, there may be a bunch of other ways of doing that with WCF.
We can first assume that the application can handle only two users per time and then, if you want, you can scale up, making your service keep some form of state with a mapping table with locked access, as another example.
Some thoughts on WCF: There is an easy path to start developing with WCF using the Visual Studio tools (svcutil) but I don't like that approach. You don't "get to know" the WCF infrastructure well, you become tied to the verbose magic with which it generates your proxies, and you lose flexibility, especially in special scenarios, like Duplex polling that you may want to use.
The other way, that is to manually create your services and your proxies, is not that hard, though, and gets very interesting once you realize what you can do with it. Related to that I can give you one advice: do everything you can to make your proxy operations use Task-based Async Pattern (you can see the different ways to implement proxy operations here). This will make your code much cleaner and straight forward when combined with the new C# async/await keywords and your UI will be a joy to implement.
I can recommend some links to get you started. Some of them are old, but very didactic.
There used to be a fantastic article of WCF in this link but it seems to be now offline. Luckily, I found the content available there in a file in this link.
This one covers your hosting options.
Topics on WCF infrastructure: link
Topics on Duplex Services: link link link
Topics on Task-based Async Pattern: link link link
Well one advice I can give you if you insist that all user communicate through server and you want your application to scale:
Separate your logic (by understanding each part of the logic you want to build on the server)
Make your classes such that it can handle multiple users per transaction
Use IOCP whenever possible
it depends on the structure of your application if you need authentication and user profiles etc .. you may introduce the WCF or whatever web-service for user and hide your actual action in the background (this will cost you performance but it might be the only suitable solution you have) , so you may have your authentication framework at the top of your server logic, and a pipelined action logic in the behind .. i.e. users get authenticated to be able to access the services presented by the server, but these services pipeline all users and handle as many as possible simultaneously — if you don't need authentication then you might directly communicate to your server logic and you may use completion ports on user's request - a lot of work to be done here.
Is it possible to write custom events that can be handled by 3rd party applications?
We have an existing app and we're finding that many people that use the app are using sql triggers to custom-write functionality of their own certain when things happen in our app.
This has led to some instances where our own processes have slowed down due to shoddy 3rd party Triggers that block our app.
I was thinking we could make this easier for 3rd party devs if we could raise events that they could handle in their own services or apps instead of having to use triggers.
That way we'd lose the blocking because we can just fire the event and continue. Also their slowness/potential crashes would happen outside of our process.
A) is this a reasonable approach?
B) Is this possible? Can I scope an event beyond the scope of my app?
EDIT
I have since found other related questions to be of interest:
wcf cross application communication
Interprocess pubsub without network dependency
Listen for events in another application (This seems very close to what I'm after)
I guess I'm looking for the simplest approach but if we wanted to adopt this method across a number of other apps within our company we'd have some further challenges:
We have some older apps in vb6 and delphi - from those I'd just like to be able to listen for their events in my (or 3rd party) newer C# apps or services.
For now, I'll look at:
Managed Spy and http://pubsub.codeplex.com
No, events are only usable by code that's loaded into your own process. If you don't trust these people now, you really don't want to expose yourself to shoddy code that you load into your own process and throws unhandled exceptions that terminate your app. You'll get the phone call, not them. Besides, they'll use such an event to run code that slows down your app.
In general, anything you do with a dbase will run with an entirely unpredictable amount of overhead. Not just because of triggers added by others, the dbase server could simply be bogged down by other work and naturally slow down over time as it stores more and more data. Make sure that doesn't make your app difficult or unpleasant to use, dbase operations typically must run on a worker thread or be done asynchronously with, say, BeginExecuteXxxx(). And make it obvious in your UI that progress is stalled by the dbase server, not by any code that you wrote. Saves you from having to do a lot of explaining.
What you're looking to do is basically to send messages to other processes. For this, you need some sort of IPC mechanism. Since it sounds like you'll have multiple listeners to each message, a mailslot is probably the best way. Unfortunately, .NET doesn't have built-in support for mailslots, so you'll have to use P/Invoke.
If you're looking for a built-in solution, then you could use named pipes, WCF, .NET Remoting, or bare TCP or UDP. With any of these, though, you'll have to loop through all of your listeners and send the message one at a time to each of them, which is not that big of a deal, but maintaining the separate connections is a little more of a hassle.
Note that with WCF and .NET Remoting, you're pretty much limiting your clients to using .NET as well. If your clients might be native or some other platform, then mailslots, named pipes, and TCP/IP are your best bet.
Im not even sure how to ask this question, but i'll give it a shot.
I have a program in c# which reads in values from sensors on a manufacturing line that are indicative of the line health. These values update every 500 milisecconds. I have four lines that this is done for. I would like to write a "overview" program which will be able to access these values over the network to give a good summary on how the factory is doing. My question is how do I get the values from the c# programs on the line to the c# overview program realtime?
If my question doesnt make much sense, let me know and I'll try to rephrase it.
Thanks!
You have several options:
MSMQ
Write the messages in MSMQ (Microsoft Message Queuing). This is an (optionally) persistent and fast store for transporting messages between machines.
Since you say that you need the messages in the other app in near realtime, then it makes sense to use MSMQ because you do not want to write logic in that app for handling large amounts of incoming messages.
Keep the MSMQ in the middle and take out what you need and most importantly when you can.
WCF
The other app could expose a WCF service which can be called by your realtime app each time there's data available. The endpoint could be over net.tcp, meaning low overhead, especially if you send small messages.
Other options include what has been said before: database, file, etc. So you can make your choice between a wide variety of options.
It depends on a number of things, I would say. First of all, is it just the last value of each line that is interesting for the 'overview' application or do you need multiple values to determine line health or do you perhaps want to have a history of values?
If you're only interested in the last value, I would directly communicate this value to the overview app. As suggested by others, you have numerous possibilities here:
Raw TCP using TcpClient (may be a bit too low-level).
Expose a http endpoint on the overview application (maybe it's a web application) and post new values to this endpoint.
Use WCF to expose some endpoint (named pipes, net.tcp, http, etc.) on the overview application and call this endpoint from each client application.
Use MSMQ to have each client enqueue messages that are then picked up by the overview app (also directly supported by WCF).
If you need some history of values or you need multiple values to determine line health, I would go with a database solution. Then again you have to choose: does each client write to the database or does each client post to the overview app (using any of the communication means described above) and does the overview app write to the database.
Without knowing any more constraints for your situation, it's hard to decide between any of these.
You can use named pipes (see http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb546085.aspx) to have a fast way to communicate between two processes.
A database. Put your values into a database and the other app then pulls them out that same database. This is a very common solution to this problem and opens up worlds of new scenarios.
see: Relation database
I have a require ment to read data from a table(SQL 2005) and send that data to other application for every 5 seconds. I am looking for the best approach to do the same.
Right now I am planning to write a console application(.NET and C#) which will read the data from sql server 2005(QUEUE table which will be filled through different applications) and send to other application through TCP/IP(Central server). Run that console application under schedule task for every 5 seconds. I am assuming scheduled task will take care to discard new run event if task is already running(avoid to run concurrent executions).
Does any body come accross similar situation? Please share your experience and advice me for best approach.
Thanks in advance for your valuable time spending for my request.
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We have done simliar work. If you are going to query a sql database every 5 seconds, be sure to use a stored procedure that is optimized to be very fast. It should not update data unless aboslutely necessary. This approach is typically called 'polling' and I've found that it is acceptable if your sqlserver is not otherwise bogged down with too many other calls.
In approaches we've used, a Windows Service that does the polling works well.
To communicate results to another app, it all depends on what your other app is doing and what type of interface you can make into it, and how quickly you need the results. The WCF class libraries from Microsoft provide many workable approaches for real time communication. My preference is to write to the applications database, and then have the application read the data (if it works for that app). If you need something real time, WCF is the way to go, and I'd suggest using a stateless protocol like http if < 5 sec response time is required, (using standard HTTP posts), or TCP/IP if subsecond response time is required.
since I assume your central storage is also SQL 2005, have you considered using what SQL Server 2005 offers out of the box to achieve your requirements? Rather than pool every 5 seconds, marshal and unmarshal TCP/IP, implement authentication and authorization for the TCP/IP pipe, scale TCP transmission with boxcaring, manage message acknowledgments and retries, deal with central site availability, fragment large messages, implement fairness in transmission and so on and so forth, why not simply use Service Broker? It does all you need and more, out of the box, already tested, already tuned for performance and scalability.
Getting reliable messaging right is not trivial and you should focus your efforts in meeting your business specifics, not reiventing the wheel.
I would recommend writing a Windows Service (since you are C#) that has some timer which runs every 5 seconds. That way you wont be starting and stopping an application all the time, it can run even when there is no one logged into the machine, and it will automatically start when the machine is restarted.
For one of my projects, I needed to do something periodically. I opted for a service and set up a timer that takes care of reading the data. You might consider that solution. It has worked well for me.
I suggest to create a windows service and not an application and to perform the timing yourself - create a timer and execute one step on each timer event. For the communication you have many choices - I would consider using standard technologies like a webservice or Winows Communication Foundation.
Besides this custom solution I would evaluate if the task can be solved using Microsoft Integration Services .
Finally other question comes to mind - why do you need this application? Why doesn't/don't the application(s) consuming the data query the database? Is the expensive polling required? Is it possible for the data producers to signal the availibilty of new data directly to the data consumers?
I am not sure about the details of your project, specifically related to security but maybe it would be better to create an SSIS package and schedule it as a job?