I know this question sounds silly, so please let me explain. I've been learning how to program in c# on windows, and have been doing pretty well. One thing i've realized recently though is that i'm not really sure how it works. I know the basics, for example, i know that c# gets compiled to CIL, or MSIL. that is then run though a JIT compiler that produces that native code that is actually run.
My confusion happens when we look at the cross platform capabilities of .net framework though.
From my study of other languages on other platforms such as C on linux, i've learned about system calls and how system calls are necessary anytime a program uses a hardware system such as the hard drive. Now, in C on linux, when you call a function like fopen(), the C standard library on linux ends up eventually making a system call to linux to perform the actual work of fopen(). Once the OS is done, it returns to the calling program.
Now, i imagine that c#/.net framework is similar correct? So when I type file.open(something); it somehow ends up calling into the win32 API, and that handles the operation and then returns to the program. is this assumption correct?
If that is correct though, then how is c# cross platform at all? if when i write file.open(); it calls into the win32 api, how is it that it can run just fine in mono on linux? If it calls the win32 API on linux, it should fail because that doesn't exist there. So is it the .net framework library that calls into the OS API, similar to C? or is it the JIT compiler that does the actual call when the final compilation takes place, depending on what platform it's running on?
So is the final pipeline something like this? ->
-c#, file.open(something) gets compiled to -><
-MSIL, equivalent command in MSIL language, gets compiled to ->
-native code, calls into OS API, either win32 API or linux API via system call
(I'm just asking for a rough overview of the process, no in depth details needed)
Secondly, when the developers of mono where creating Mono, did they just have to go one class at a time, method by method, through the entire .net framework library and have to recreate it to work on linux? Because that would be A LOT of work.
Thank you
The file system is an operating system resource, I/O methods in both .NET Core and .NET Framework wrap calls to the underlying operating system.
Below is the picture that explains how .NET works with non-.NET code (using CCW & RCW).
Ref: managed-code-and-unmanaged-code-in-net
Here is another image that might help understand what is available on which platform
Ref: cross-platform-capabilities-of-dot-net
Now what we need to understand is if you are using any features from .NET's Base Class Libraries, They are implemented to make appropriate calls based on which platform it's running.
However, if you are building an application that should support any platform then there are certain things that we must take care
There are two main requirements for making your software platform-agnostic:
Don’t use any APIs that are not implemented across other platforms
(including Base Class Library methods that are not implemented
outside of Windows and PInvoke calls to Windows-only libraries).
Properly treat file and folder paths so that platform-specific path
separators (i.e., “\” and “/”) are not used explicitly.
If you really want to understand how CLR works, I would Highly recommend the book http://sd.blackball.lv/library/CLR_via_CSharp_(Jeffrey_Richter_4th_Edition).pdf
Reference:
https://www.c-sharpcorner.com/uploadfile/puranindia/managed-code-and-unmanaged-code-in-net/
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/io/handling-io-errors
https://headspring.com/2018/07/10/cross-platform-capabilities-of-dot-net/
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I am trying to follow this tutorial:
https://codingvision.net/security/c-inject-a-dll-into-a-process-w-createremotethread
but kernel32.dll and its functions can only be used on windows.
What can I use instead to inject dlls on mac?
If you are injecting kernel32 then it means that you are actually injecting a native library designed for Windows. There is no 1-to-1 alternative apart from possibly ones within libraries like WINE, but avoid such hacks.
Instead consider finding an alternative in the API of the actual system. You should find the respective method in the API of the system which you are currently running and conditionally execute different calls.
Yet be sure to know that the best approach would bo to AVOID using direct system calls and operate only within .NET, especially that if you find a way to execute required things only using .NET libraries then there is a high chance of migration to .NET Core which is designed to work on all three major systems without a problem (especially for web and console applications).
So to sum up:
there is no kernel32.dll for MacOS
you need to find a respective function in the API of MacOS which will do the same as the method which you have called from Kernel32
the best thing is to avoid usage of Kernel32 and try to find a respective call within .NET libraries
Once upon a time you could simply use the Mach call task_for_pid() but that stopped working years ago when Apple first started paying attention to security. Then for a few years you could still force the dynamic linker to load a .dylib into an executable when it launched by setting some environment variables, but then Apple put a stop to that too, as they continued to crack down on security holes.
For the most part you can't do this anymore, or at least not easily. Especially with things like System Integrity Protection enabled. (I mean you could still create a kernel extension and do it there, except Apple now requires that all kernel extensions be signed with a special entitlement and they're pretty much not giving out that entitlement anymore.)
Can Delphi 4 and\or 5 application functionality (.exe) be integrated into a C# application?
I've been tasked with rewriting a new application which will be based off of existing Delphi 4/5 written application, which are currently held together with a Batch Processing Script that no one at my company understands.
As an interum solution, I've been asked to investigate whether a C# GUI\wrapper can be placed on top so it's easier to maintain and run.
I know that Delphi 6 applications can be called within a C# application using reflection but I'm not entirely sure how.
So back to my original question can a Delphi 4/5 application functionality be called within a C# application?
Thanks in advance.
The underlying premise of the question appears to be that a C# wrapper around a Delphi core is easier to maintain and run, and if that is not true, then the idea of creating the wrapper becomes not-very-useful. I believe it is a wrongly-conceived notion.
Imagine that I made an application that can talk to a telescope. It does it perfectly. In that case, I might be able to extract just the telescope-communication part and put it in a DLL and then write a user interface in C# that uses the Delphi DLL just to do the communicate-with-telescope task. However, unless your Delphi application was already structured in a nice way, and unless a task like this telescope-communications library already exists, you won't find it very easy to extract any part of a Delphi application, and use it from C#. If that situation existed, I would use native Delphi DLL function exports and invoke them from C#. This is not using the existing delphi executable, and requires many hours of work to refactor part of a Delphi application into something that could be used from C#.
Another answer mentions COM Servers, and while that is possible, it is not going to make things easier; Like the old joke about regular expressions; When you have a problem and try to solve it by using regular expressions, now you have two problems. The same becomes true when you try to use COM Servers to hide your existing application and write a whole new UI on top of it using C#. It would actually take more technical skill to improve, debug, and continue to develop it that way, than to keep developing it either purely in delphi or purely in C#. It's a negative savings of effort.
You have given no information about what the Delphi application does, but let's assume that it's a line-of-business or vertical market application that reads some file format, or does some communication protocol, or even connects to some old database, that you don't want to rewrite.
If by making the C# UI you mean, to never show the Delphi application user interface and replace it with a C# one, it is nearly certain that your idea is not going to make anything any better, and can only ever make things worse. Your deadlock either comes from not having skilled delphi developers, or else it comes from not having clever developers who can figure out what an existing application does.
The solution is usually a human solution when you are in this situation; either to hire a skilled delphi developer and bring the application forward into the modern Delphi era (Delphi XE2) or to hire a skilled non-delphi developer and port the application to some other language. Anybody who would suggest writing a "wrapper" over top of the delphi application who thinks that will make it "easier" obviously feels incapable of rewriting the existing application.
I don't know enough about what your delphi application does, to be sure, but it sure sounds to me like "fear driven" decisions. Wrapping old code is almost never a good idea, and is most often, just the creation of more problems.
A Delphi .exe can be run from C#. But I guess this is not your point.
You can either use a COM server, which is standard but needs the COM object to be registered on the computer (by running regsrv32.exe). Not so easy to deploy.
Or you can define the Delphi code as a library, then load and execute the .dll from the C# code.
If you prefer to access C# objects from Delphi 4 or 5 (that is access C# RTTI), you'll have to use some low-level unit like Managed extensions for VCL - .Net interop for Delphi Win32. Which is quite complete, and works with old versions of Delphi (whereas something more high-level than Hydra will not support Delphi 4 or 5, sadly).
Edit
Another possible easy communication is GDI messages. You can send GDI commands from your C# code to control the Delphi application, but using PostMessage() API calls.
Sure. C# can call any .exe. Just use Process.Start:
http://www.dotnetperls.com/process-start
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.diagnostics.process.aspx
Delphi 5 supports implementing COM server functionality (don't know about earlier versions, D2 definitely did not).
If you have the sources available,
add a type library and a COM implementation of the interfaces defined in the type library,
register the executable (typically done automatically on startup thanks to Delphi magic)
follow the steps on MSDN: Exposing COM Components to the .NET Framework
I have a pet project that is an online game, the entire game engine is written in C# and I would like to know if there is anyway I can call the functions of this existing assembly (.dll) from a solution built using Node.JS, Socket.IO, Express etc?
The game engine itself is pretty complete; tested and robust. I am hoping there is some neat way of exposing its functionality without too much overhead.
UPDATE:
To answer my own question a little..
I have ended building my own web socket server (based on the most current web socket protocol document). It is written in C# and compiled using Mono so that it can be hosted on a Linux box running mono and therefore (with a few tweaks) I can use my existing game engine.
UPDATE 2
A project that does exactly what I was originally looking for now exists - http://tjanczuk.github.io/edge/#/
UPDATE 3
Edge.js supporting node's last versions and .net core with a new edge-js package.
Support for Node.Js 6.x, 7.x, 8.x, 9.x, 10.x, 11.x Support for .NET
Core 1.0.1 - 2.x on Windows/Linux/macOS. Support for Mono runtime
4.8.x - 5.x.
Can be installed from https://www.npmjs.com/package/edge-js
Check out the edge.js project I started (http://tjanczuk.github.com/edge). It provides a mechanism for running .NET and node.js code in-process. Edge.js allows you to call .NET code from node.js and node.js code from .NET. It marshals data between .NET and node.js as well as reconciles the threading models between multi-threaded CLR and single threaded V8.
Using edge.js you can access islands of pre-existing .NET code from node.js, which seems to match your scenario.
I've been recently faced with the same challenge (requirement to call C# code from node.js javascript). I had 1000s of lines of complex C# code that I really didn't like to port to javascript.
I solved if as follows.
The relevant C# code is basically 1-2 classes in a DLL assembly
Defined a COM interface which is a subset of the C# class's interface and implemented that interface in the C# class. Thus, the DLL became an in-process COM server.
Implemented a node.js extension DLL that instantiates my C# COM class using standard Win32 COM API and routes method calls from node.js javascript to C# code using the COM interface.
This solves the problem if one only wants to make calls in one direction. I also had the requirement to make calls from C# to javascript. This is a lot harder. One has to:
Implement a COM object in the node.js extension DLL (ATL helps here)
Pass an interface reference of this COM object to C# code (COM Interop)
Route calls via the COM object to V8 objects in node.js
Maybe if I have some extra time, I might make an example project out of this.
If all you want to do is spin up a lightweight HTTP server while still programming with C# and .Net you should give Kayak a chance. It is a lightweight HTTP Server for C# and behaves kind of like node.js in that sense.
kayakhttp
Update:
If you are looking for a lightweight HTTP Server to handle web requests you have a couple alternatives today:
ServiceStack (recommended)
Microsoft WebAPI
NancyFx
To my knowledge all the above work on some version of Mono, so you can still host them across both Windows and Unix based systems.
.Net addons can be written, in short you write a regular native addon and add .Net calls via CLI/C++ calls to .Net dlls.
In practice you usually create a C# dll library which you then call from a CLI/C++ node addon project. There is a bit of delicacies such as making sure that the actual node add on definition file is compiled without CLR support so node can load it correctly.
You can check out: https://github.com/saary/node.net
for an example of how this can be achieved.
The following answer is out of date, but still helpful for understanding of Node.js from first release
Node.js is now also available natively for Windows at nodejs.org. No cygwin requirement or otherwise.
First of all, at the moment there's no native Windows port of Node.js, there's only a cygwin version (but I suspect you already knew that).
There was a node module floating around somewhere at the GitHubs that provided wrappers for calling into native libraries, but iirc, that only worked with .so libs.
Therefore, if you want to use a C# DLL, you will first have to write a native Node.js extension as the interface:
https://www.cloudkick.com/blog/2010/aug/23/writing-nodejs-native-extensions/
From that extension you have to load the DLL and wrap the calls from Node.js to the C# code, that means you have to write some low level C/C++ code and convert C# values to V8 stuff.
I only have experience with C++ and V8, it's a bit hard to get started since the code examples are a bit sparse, also wrapping C++ classes is not that trivial. But I did wrote small JS game engine kind of thing, that uses a C++ OpenGL backend, it's unfinished (and there are hardly any comments) but it might give you some ideas.
Note: There are some projects in the wild that provide somewhat automatic generation of wrappers to V8, but those are C++ only.
So to conclude, I think it will be quite adventurous getting the C# wrappers to work, but it should be possible.
Edge.js supporting node's last versions and .net core with a new edge-js package.
Support for Node.Js 6.x, 7.x, 8.x, 9.x, 10.x, 11.x Support for .NET
Core 1.0.1 - 2.x on Windows/Linux/macOS. Support for Mono runtime
4.8.x - 5.x.
Can be installed (npm i edge-js) from https://www.npmjs.com/package/edge-js
You might have some luck with this project, which is a port of Node.js to .NET. I haven't used it myself, but with a native .NET implementation you theoretically should be able to do what you need to.
You might also want to go the other direction and try to port (aka: recompile unless you're hooked deep into Windows) your C# game engine to Mono and see if you can then build wrappers off of that.
I know it's an old question, but wanted to throw in a current answer. With IIS 7.5 and .Net 4.x Websockets are supported, though use of the SignalR library will likely be the path of least resistance. It's similar to the socket.io library for NodeJS.
As to accessing .Net code via NodeJS, your best options are Edge.js, building a mixed native assembly with C/C++, exposing your .Net code either via a command line application (best to use pipes for input/output) or via a service (TCP or other).
I find Edge.js to be very limited, and not offer much over a piped console interface.. and feel that a service may be best for a more complex interface. At which point you may be best doing the rest of the project in .Net, unless you have an investment in NodeJS that supersedes said difficulties.
What can be done in VC++ (native) that can't be done with VC#?
From what I can tell the only thing worth using VC++ native for is when you need to manage memory yourself instead of the CLR garbage collector, which I haven't seen a purpose in doing either (but thats for another question to be asked later).
Cross-platform development. Yes Mono exists, and Java's somewhat more predictable to have it function EXACTLY the same on more platforms, you can find a C/C++ compiler for just about any platform out there, where you can't with C#.
Also linking into 3rd-party libraries, while I'm sure there's a way to leverage them in C#, you'll be able to take advantage of them without interop (Marshaling, etc) in C++.
Edit: one last thing: RELIABLE memory management. Yes you can use dispose(), and try-finally, but there's nothing quite like KNOWING the memory is gone when it's popped off of the stack. Through techniques like RAII, when you use well-constructed classes, you will KNOW when your classes release resources, and not waiting around for the GC to happen.
With P/Invoke there is very little that is impossible in .NET (most obviously device drivers).
There are also things where the advice is to not use .NET (e.g. shell extensions, which get loaded into any process that opens a file dialogue1).
Finally there are things which will be much harder in .NET, if possible at all (e.g. creating a COM component that aggregates the FTM).
1 This can create a problem if that process is already using a different version of .NET. This should be alleviated in the future with .NET 4 having the ability to support side by side instances of the runtime.
I'm not sure if you're talking about language features or applications. My answer though is for applications / components.
Really there are only 2 things you cannot do in C# that you can do in C++.
You cannot use C#, or any other .Net language, to write a component for a system that only accepts native components
You cannot use C#, or any other .Net language, to alter certain properties of a CCW for which the CLR does not allow customization
The most notable item here is Device Drivers. This is a framework that only accepts native components and there is no way to plug in a managed component.
For everything else it's possible to do the same thing in C# as it is in C++. There are just a lot of cases where you simply don't want to and a native solution is better. It's possible for instance to manage and manipulate memory in C# via unsafe code or IntPtr. It's just not nearly as easy and generally there's no reason.
You can't write device drivers for one.
I think there are several important points:
You can do anything in C#/C++/Java/Python/Lisp or almost any other language, finally all of them Turing complete ;)... The question is it suits your needs?
There is one big and extreamly important limitation of C#... It runs only one single platform Windows... (Mono is still not mature enough).
There are many applications where GC is just a waste of resources, applications that can't afford you throw up 1/2 of memory untill next gc cycle: Games, Data Bases, Video auido Processing and many other mission critical applications.
Real Time applications (again games, video processing and so on). Non-deterministic GC makes life much harder for them.
In fact, most of desktop applications: Web Browsers, Word Processors, Desktop Environment itself (like Windows Explorer, KDE or Gnome) are written in compiled languages with careful thinking about resources... Otherwise, they would just be terrible bloated applications.
Whereas writing shell extensions in Windows XP was possible in C# it is next to impossible to write shell extensions for Vista and Windows 7. Shell extensions and Namespace extensions (and anything else that uses the new Properties system) (kindof) must be done in C++ unless you're into pain.
There are two obvious answers:
VC# can never run without the .NET
framework. Native C++ can. That may
be necessary in some areas (others
have mentioned device drivers, but
more common examples might simply be
clients where the .NET framework is
not installed. Perhaps you're
distributing an application and you
know not all of your customers are
willing to install .NET, so your
sales would go up if you made an app
that just worked without the
dependency on .NET. Or perhaps you're
working on some mobile device where
the couple of megabytes taken up by
the .NET CF can not be justified. Or shell extensions where using .NET can cause nasty problem for the user.
And VC# can never use C++ language
features. Native C++ can. (Managed
C++ can too, of course, but that's a
different issue). There are, believe it or not, things that can be done more conveniently or elegantly in C++. And they're only accessible if you're programming in C++.
System calls are no problem, however. p/invoke lets you do those from C#, almost as easily as you could from C++.
inline assembler
You cannot use C++-Libraries with classes (P/Invoke can only be used for functions AFAIK)
You cannot use callbacks with P/Invoke.
Is C# in particular and .NET in general self compiling yet (this is not a troll, I genuinely don't know)? If not, you can use VC++ to write C# and .NET, but you can't use C# to do the same job.
This is tongue in cheek, but it also is an answer to your question... you can screw things up much more severely in VC++ than you can in VC#. Not that you can't manage to screw things up severely in VC#, but in general, you can screw them up easier and more thoroughly in VC++.
Again, kind of tongue in cheek, but also an answer to your question. Perhaps not what you were hoping for, but... :-)
There's also hard real-time applications. Any language with a GC cannot be used, just in case it decides to collect during a time-constrained part of the code. Java was notorious for not even allowing you to try (hence the EULA about not using it for software "intended for use in the design, construction, operation or maintenance of any nuclear facility"
(yes, I know they've since made a modified version of Java for real time systems).
For example, it makes sense to use C++ if it's harder to translate the header files for existing libraries than it is to give up the existing managed libraries.
The Main difference is:
C++ is a core language with which you can build stand-alone programs. These Programs communicate directly with the the operating system and nothing else. C++ compilers exist for more or less all platforms (operating systems).
C# is a language that conforms to the CLS. A program written in C# can not start without a CLI engine (.NET Framework, Mono, etc.). A Program written in C# communicates with the .NET framework AND with the operating system. You have a man in the middle. Like all servicing personal, this man can help but it will cause additional trouble. If you want to port, you have a different man in the middle etc. CLI Implementations do not exist for all platforms.
By my opinion every additional framework is a additional source of problems.
Using SSE instructions seems to be one of these cases. Some .NET runtimes will use some SSE instructions, depending on your code. But in VC++, you can use the SSE intrinsics directly. So, if you're writing a multimedia code, you'd probably want C++. (C++/CLI might work as well, presumably)
Writing fast native applications, with API calls and etc, in a modern cross platform programming language like C# would be awesome, wouldn't it? For example if you want to write a simple utility for helping IT people with installing things, which wouldn't need another components, in an easy and modern programming language? or if you want to write a 3D game, it should be fast, and JIT would just make it slower...
Why, why isn't it possible? Why there are no native modern programming languages for these things?
C# and .Net are native code. I think you misunderstand the JITter. It's not a VM. A C# program is compiled to fully native code before any of it is executed.
Now, the "needing other components" part is a concern. Give it time, though. You'll be hard pressed to find a windows installation these days without at least .Net 2.0, and even a couple mainstream linux distros include mono out of the box.
Don't assume the JIT makes things slower. The JIT can optimize for the exact computer running the application rather than a generic computer like a 386 or Pentium. It can even make better speed/memory trade-off decisions when generating code because it knows exactly what's available. And if JIT still makes things slower, you can NGEN them so that JITting is all done beforehand.
As proof of this, consider that Quake has been ported to the CLR a couple of times, and in my personal tests, the frames per second have been faster when Quake runs on the CLR about half the times I demo it.
Compiled .NET programs have been shown to run just as quickly as C. If you want it ultra-lean write it in assembly for your native processor.
You can use the Microsoft NGEN.EXE tool to create a native image of a .NET assembly.
See MSDN NGEN documentation. Microsoft already though about what you're getting at here.
Microsoft also makes ILMERGE.EXE tool to merge multiple assembly files into one. This might border on optimization and speed too.
As a side note, Mono has full ahead of time compiling, eliminating the runtime. (I think that's how they get away running on iPhone, which prohibits any JIT.)
So, does this mean that we could fully compile and link a C# program using (limited) .NET calls into a standalone EXE that would run without .NET being installed at all?
FYI: Checking a server estate of some 5000 servers revealed about 200 without even .NET 2.0.
This causes problems for code that must run on "all Windows instances". With .NET 4.0+ not including 2.0 this gets worse as both new AND old Windows machines might not have the 'right' .NET
there is, C. C can be used to write any application , ever !!!